View Poll Results: Overall, who do you think is the best at mail in/e-mail flashes?
Dynoflash
77
16.45%
Jestr
168
35.90%
TTP Engineering
160
34.19%
Vishnu
36
7.69%
WORKS
27
5.77%
Voters: 468. You may not vote on this poll
VOTE please - e-mail/mail in flash POLL
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^Agreed. This will eliminate biased personal opinions on tuners, and arguments. At the same time this information is crucial to know from a consumer point of view, as this may eliminate engine parts failures or safety issues in the future.
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i see you point. but the fact still remains that not every tuner on evom was offered a position in this poll. By starting a new poll that included everyone this would be a completely different ball game. Certain vendors have claimed to be the best based on this poll. How can you claim to be the best if you're not playing fair. i'm sure if the mods go back and review the IP addresses of voters in this poll, they would see a pattern.
and what about those people who have switched tuners? i was tuned by TTP at one point but i am now tuned by Jestr. why should TTP still have my vote?
and what about those people who have switched tuners? i was tuned by TTP at one point but i am now tuned by Jestr. why should TTP still have my vote?
"Best" is still an opinion. I would like to see another thread, adding first off Mellon, he has a lot of customers that would have voted for him in this thread. But where does it end? You say you voted for a TTP, and switched, now you want to switch your vote, whos to say that won't happen again? Would you want another poll? I'm not knocking you, its just a sticky situation like Charles said.
If we can have an agreement and people can be civil about it, there should be another thread with all stock ECU tuners. But there should be rules in the beginning. Lets start a list of tuners, then figure out rules, i.e. 1) Only give your experience with X tuner, DO NOT bash or talk about another tuner on the list.
I completely agree that not only are there a number of tuners and vendors here not represented, many of which with good reputations. However to put it quite bluntly, I don't believe this pole or any other pole made on this topic are worth a crap. There is too much going on behind the scenes here influencing the poles on this topic. Between figurative turf wars, personality disagreements, personal opinions, which tuner can get more of their customers to respond/vote, and a number if other issues not the least of which may be people with rule breaking extra accounts swaying opinions and votes, this is a bad subject.
The best idea IMO (which is still not great) would be to make a poll on who you (the members) used to tune your car and if you are happy/ comments. The pole would have to be public so you could see who is voting for who. To make it less troublesome, I personally would prefer that all negative comments be left out as those are more often the problem and agenda loaded ones. This would still be IMO, not accurate to make any judgments, but better than some of the alternatives.
So you guys can do what you want to do, start another thread if you want, but these topics are watched closely for violations, so keep everything constructive and agenda free.
The best idea IMO (which is still not great) would be to make a poll on who you (the members) used to tune your car and if you are happy/ comments. The pole would have to be public so you could see who is voting for who. To make it less troublesome, I personally would prefer that all negative comments be left out as those are more often the problem and agenda loaded ones. This would still be IMO, not accurate to make any judgments, but better than some of the alternatives.
So you guys can do what you want to do, start another thread if you want, but these topics are watched closely for violations, so keep everything constructive and agenda free.
If a tuner is manipulating the results and feeding customers misleading information, their actions will catch up with them just like their lies.
"Best" is still an opinion. I would like to see another thread, adding first off Mellon, he has a lot of customers that would have voted for him in this thread. But where does it end? You say you voted for a TTP, and switched, now you want to switch your vote, whos to say that won't happen again? Would you want another poll? I'm not knocking you, its just a sticky situation like Charles said.
If we can have an agreement and people can be civil about it, there should be another thread with all stock ECU tuners. But there should be rules in the beginning. Lets start a list of tuners, then figure out rules, i.e. 1) Only give your experience with X tuner, DO NOT bash or talk about another tuner on the list.
"Best" is still an opinion. I would like to see another thread, adding first off Mellon, he has a lot of customers that would have voted for him in this thread. But where does it end? You say you voted for a TTP, and switched, now you want to switch your vote, whos to say that won't happen again? Would you want another poll? I'm not knocking you, its just a sticky situation like Charles said.
If we can have an agreement and people can be civil about it, there should be another thread with all stock ECU tuners. But there should be rules in the beginning. Lets start a list of tuners, then figure out rules, i.e. 1) Only give your experience with X tuner, DO NOT bash or talk about another tuner on the list.
so lets get the ball rollin. lets get a set of rules and guidelines of the new poll and a list of all tuners on evom.
Mellon
Jestr
TTP
Dynoflash
Iveytune
Works
Speed Element
Vishnu
who else?
I completely agree that not only are there a number of tuners and vendors here not represented, many of which with good reputations. However to put it quite bluntly, I don't believe this pole or any other pole made on this topic are worth a crap. There is too much going on behind the scenes here influencing the poles on this topic. Between figurative turf wars, personality disagreements, personal opinions, which tuner can get more of their customers to respond/vote, and a number if other issues not the least of which may be people with rule breaking extra accounts swaying opinions and votes, this is a bad subject.
The best idea IMO (which is still not great) would be to make a poll on who you (the members) used to tune your car and if you are happy/ comments. The pole would have to be public so you could see who is voting for who. To make it less troublesome, I personally would prefer that all negative comments be left out as those are more often the problem and agenda loaded ones. This would still be IMO, not accurate to make any judgments, but better than some of the alternatives.
So you guys can do what you want to do, start another thread if you want, but these topics are watched closely for violations, so keep everything constructive and agenda free.
The best idea IMO (which is still not great) would be to make a poll on who you (the members) used to tune your car and if you are happy/ comments. The pole would have to be public so you could see who is voting for who. To make it less troublesome, I personally would prefer that all negative comments be left out as those are more often the problem and agenda loaded ones. This would still be IMO, not accurate to make any judgments, but better than some of the alternatives.
So you guys can do what you want to do, start another thread if you want, but these topics are watched closely for violations, so keep everything constructive and agenda free.
Last edited by Viciouslord; Jan 14, 2008 at 01:55 PM.
i see you point. but the fact still remains that not every tuner on evom was offered a position in this poll. By starting a new poll that included everyone this would be a completely different ball game. Certain vendors have claimed to be the best based on this poll. How can you claim to be the best if you're not playing fair. i'm sure if the mods go back and review the IP addresses of voters in this poll, they would see a pattern.
and what about those people who have switched tuners? i was tuned by TTP at one point but i am now tuned by Jestr. why should TTP still have my vote?
and what about those people who have switched tuners? i was tuned by TTP at one point but i am now tuned by Jestr. why should TTP still have my vote?
The whole intent of your posting is not to be fair to other tuners not listed, it is solely to change your vote, so why not be honest with the members?
I believe the site administrator has been clear more than once that alterior motives and politics are not welcome in this thread, so I urge you to abide by the directives of the admin.
And have in turn run slower times by switching to your free sponsored tune by another tuner which is NOT AN EFLASH. What is the point? Its obvious that the intent to change your vote is not based on performance results as the performance has not increased in your vehicle as your Evo has never run quicker or faster than with the TTP-Engineering tuning.
The whole intent of your posting is not to be fair to other tuners not listed, it is solely to change your vote, so why not be honest with the members?
I believe the site administrator has been clear more than once that alterior motives and politics are not welcome in this thread, so I urge you to abide by the directives of the admin.
The whole intent of your posting is not to be fair to other tuners not listed, it is solely to change your vote, so why not be honest with the members?
I believe the site administrator has been clear more than once that alterior motives and politics are not welcome in this thread, so I urge you to abide by the directives of the admin.
Last edited by Viciouslord; Jan 14, 2008 at 03:41 PM.
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The best idea IMO (which is still not great) would be to make a poll on who you (the members) used to tune your car and if you are happy/ comments. The pole would have to be public so you could see who is voting for who. To make it less troublesome, I personally would prefer that all negative comments be left out as those are more often the problem and agenda loaded ones. This would still be IMO, not accurate to make any judgments, but better than some of the alternatives.
No, good idea and bad idea. I don't think "best" should be in the title. Maybe "Who tuned your car and what was your experiance?"....
....The only way a new thread would work is if it had rules and direct attention from a mod to delete off topic and pointless threads. Not sure if any want to devote their time to that.
....The only way a new thread would work is if it had rules and direct attention from a mod to delete off topic and pointless threads. Not sure if any want to devote their time to that.
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AMS
Rules:
1) Only post your experience with the tuner you voted for.
Well shoot, we may need only one. The only thing you will be allowed to post is your experience with your tune, thats it. Then start your post like this:
"Voted for: "X" (so a person looking for info on that particular tuner can find it easily)
I went with tuner "X" because blah blah blah."
Sound good?
Last edited by Blazing VIII; Jan 14, 2008 at 02:42 PM.
Mellon
Jestr
TTP
Dynoflash
Iveytune
Works
Speed Element
Vishnu
AMS
Turbo Trix
Buschur
who else?
looks good, also include that any off topic comments will be deleted
Jestr
TTP
Dynoflash
Iveytune
Works
Speed Element
Vishnu
AMS
Turbo Trix
Buschur
who else?
Rules:
1) Only post your experience with the tuner you voted for.
Well shoot, we may need only one. The only thing you will be allowed to post is your experience with your tune, thats it. Then start your post like this:
"Voted for: "X" (so a person looking for info on that particular tuner can find it easily)
I went with tuner "X" because blah blah blah."
Sound good?
1) Only post your experience with the tuner you voted for.
Well shoot, we may need only one. The only thing you will be allowed to post is your experience with your tune, thats it. Then start your post like this:
"Voted for: "X" (so a person looking for info on that particular tuner can find it easily)
I went with tuner "X" because blah blah blah."
Sound good?
Last edited by Viciouslord; Jan 14, 2008 at 03:39 PM.
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Tuners (alphabetical):
AMS
Buschur
Dynoflash
Iveytune
Jestr
Lucas English
Mellon
Speed Element
TTP
Turbo Trix
Vishnu
Works
Guidelines:
1) Only post your experience with the tuner you voted for
2) ALL off topic post will be deleted per mods
3) Start post as follows (for easy research by community):
AMS
Buschur
Dynoflash
Iveytune
Jestr
Lucas English
Mellon
Speed Element
TTP
Turbo Trix
Vishnu
Works
Guidelines:
1) Only post your experience with the tuner you voted for
2) ALL off topic post will be deleted per mods
3) Start post as follows (for easy research by community):
Voted for: Tuner X
I voted for Tuner X because...
I voted for Tuner X because...