Here is how I found the AMS intercooler to perform:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=263408

Note these are just my results. I might have a lot of heatsoak in my engine bay etc... would be great if other AMS intercooler users could post up some data. Then we'd all have an idea of how well that one intercooler works.

 

How about you stop being so dam *****y and get off your *** and do it yourself, test them and come to your own conclusions and then report back instead of bickering. You keep asking questions and then throwing tantrums, If you feel your AMS intercooler is subpar speak with them and ask them what data they have. Google is also your friend because as far as I know the EVO is not the only car that uses an intercooler.

 

So I should test every intercooler myself. Nice one!

 

why do you think that no one knows how their intercooler should perform? there's been tests done... if you feel like reading through them and taking them with a grain of salt you'll see "where" they should perform.

10 degrees above ambient on a 4 gear pull is excellent... how do those numbers help you??? i can't think of a single way as you already made an intercooler decision.

 

Well that helps to hear you say 10 degrees above ambient is excellent. It's that type of info I'm after. Do you mean celcius or fahrenheight? Have you ever witnessed an intercooler perform that well first hand?

Also people are always mentioning an X gear pull... which seems odd to me because from my data logs... there is very little difference in intake temperature whether you just did a full pull to the top of 4th, or if you are just cruising off boost.

I dunno... maybe my intake temp probe is messed up or is soaking up heat from the intake manifold? Should I see large variances between driving hard and driving soft in terms of intake temp?

Basically I'm just wishing people would post some data logs. Hope you understand.

 

did you look at the nisei tests? that covers several intercoolers. so does buschur's counter test. so does buschur's eval of the ebay intercooler how hard have you searched or is this information not good enough for you?

i can't help you if you don't find waht we already have useful

 

Here, not EVO intercoolers, but will answer your ? on effiencentcy.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1801049

 

Excuse me for not just completely buying into every test a vendor puts out.

We had a thousand page thread on testing intercoolers, and nothing came of it. I'm simply pointing out that we don't need some exhaustive test. If people using standalones and IC's would just post up a datalog we'd be good to go.

I'm also pointing out that very few of us on this board know what to expect in terms of rise over ambient temperature of most popular intercoolers.

David Buschur says a couple degrees Fahrenheight over ambient for his race IC. I think that is good information to have but I'd love to hear it independantly verified.

 

Some times though you can use common sense also. You have an AMS intercooler. AMS uses their intercooler in a 600+ hp car for multiple time attack events(generate more heat on the intercooler than a short drag race) throughout the year without a problem.

Here is their kill list and no engine failures so you do the math. I would say that the intercooler works fine.

1st 2007 Modified Magazine Tuner Shootout
1st 2006 Nasa National Champion - TTU
1st 2006 Redline Time Attack Summit Point - Unlimited AWD
1st 2006 Nasa TT Autobahn - TTU
1st 2006 EVO Tuner Challenge - Unlimited Class
1st 2006 EVO Tuner Challenge - Street Class

Plus tests in diff climates cant be compared to one another. If you are up north in boston and it is 20 degrees ambient outside, and you go datalog a pass in that weather, your iat only shows an increase of 3 degrees. You bring that same car to Houston, hot as hell 97degrees ambient outside with 90% humidity and you do a pull and your iat shows 15 degress over ambient. Well the reason why is because your turbocharged vehicle is introducing hot air in to a hot climate vs hot air into a cold climate, we know which will make the temps rise more and faster. So that means someones datalog over here will mean nothing to you because you do not live where they live. The only real test is something what Buschur did with multiple intercoolers same climate same day.

1st 2007 Modified Magazine Tuner Shootout
1st 2006 Nasa National Champion - TTU
1st 2006 Redline Time Attack Summit Point - Unlimited AWD
1st 2006 Nasa TT Autobahn - TTU
1st 2006 EVO Tuner Challenge - Unlimited Class
1st 2006 EVO Tuner Challenge - Street Class

 

A good intercooler is one that is 90-95% effienct. In this case, it would be only a few degrees over abient like someone posted a long time ago. Every top manufactor should be withen those specs in the given hp limit of the ic (cfm rating). You can beg for test, but your really starting to come off as a crying jerk because people arent doing your leg work for you.

If you really want to know, get two intake probs and put one pre and one post ic and you will have your answer. Simple as that. youll be out some $$$ but atleast it will shut you up. Here read this and do it yourself http://public.fotki.com/ttschwing/in...mp_monitoring/

 

I apologize if you guys think I'm "crying" or a "jerk".

But I stand by my point that datalogs posted from actual users would be a great asset to evo owners looking to buy upgraded intercoolers. If you think it's a bad idea, well thats great, but I just don't see your point.

One test from Buschur with hardly any data, and another from Nisei does not exatly instill a lot of confidence in me.

 

one last attempt to help you. If you do 3+ dyno pulls in a row and they are all withen a few hp, you have a good core. If someones dynos go down each run, it is heatsoaked and will lower each time (usually 10-20hp). So find someone with all the runs overlaid and you can see.

 

Some data that I don't think you guys will ever compare..
Note it is an ARC stock replacement .. not a RACE FMIC like the Nisei ..

Most people will grab on to the temperature drop and insist how good an FMIC it is ..

I tend to look in between .. a heat sink is a heat sink .. mass will always dictate how much heat it can shed ..

Nisei is 20-30% bigger .. for such a price .. it is definitely hard to beat ..

ARC is design .. it is a M073 non race.. the lower range of the ARC .. take a look at the pressure drop and you'll understand the thoughts that went into ARC design ..
Then again .. would you want to pay so much ??

 

ETS extremeturbosystems.com

 

I'll have some AEM data on the BR race core as well when it shows up. But I have to be honest, I don't feel like it's my job to post the results for everyone else to benefit from. In fact when I do, people will either misinterpret the results, acuse me of falsifying the results, acuse me of not knowing what I'm doing, being biased or inexperienced, etc. The bottom line is that I currently run the SBR kit with a proven Garrett core, but I want to see how the BR race core performs in comparison, so I purchased one and will do the testing for myself. Not everyone is willing to spend the money or (more importantly) the time to do this everytime they want a question answered, but the moral of the story is you have to pay to play. If you aren't willing to, STFU and wait for people to post their findings out of sheer ****in generousity. IMO.

Also, Nate Chrisman (DSMotorsport) posted some AEM data on the BR Race core years ago, in case anyone hasn't seen it. The results were similar to those posted in the above linked to thread.