Ted B.

E85 does NOT require 36% more fuel than standard pump gas. The factory fuel rail will NOT need upgraded to run E85, that is the least of anyone's worries. The factory fuel rail has made 740 whp on our dyno.

You will need a double pumper much sooner than you will on standard gasoline, a normal Walbro pump will not make 500 whp on our dyno without loosing pressure and causing problems.

Anyway, I better go hide my lower than manure *** before I have my account disabled, I leave the rest of the question answering up the math genius's that don't actual tune anything..........haha

 

I don't think the fuel rail is an issue either, but it is useful when mounting a FP gauge to monitor pressure IF it may be a concern (the reason why I am reluctant to criticize the idea).

As for the 36% figure, that is on the conservative end of published data that ranges from 28-40%, and as you well know, since said figures are ultimately affected by BSFC, it varies from application to application.


Such a statement was neither provoked, classy, or helpful to anyone.

 

i don't care who you are...........thats funny

 

The 36% is not on the conservative side............

Uh, my statement wasn't meant to be classy, you are the one who suggested "someone" being banned and being lower than manure...........

 

I feel your pain Al. I drive by the E85 pumps everyday and I can't get any either. It sucks that they have an electronic key on them and that they are only for gov vehicles.

 

CT is only strict on screwing its consumers. We live in one of the most overtaxed states, and Gov Rel is a douche bag. But thats another thread, sorry.

 

I generally stay out of these threads, but I noticed someone mentioned my name and my plans on working with E85..

I have actually been in contact with Carl Vogel, owner of Vogelbilt corporation, he has been in the process of opening one "Green" fueling station on long island to test his business model. Basically his stations will be offering refueling for all "Green" vehicles, B100 for diesel engines, E85, and even rapid charging for electric only vehicles using solar panels mounted on the roof of the building.

Anyway, I have been planning on two major projects, one is to swap a Duramax (GM) crate engine into my Malibu, and the other is to be running E85 on all of my cars capable of being converted easily.

What is the hold up? Well, availability. My Evo is sitting around, with a base tune, 1000cc injectors and a single walbro pump until there's a local station who is carrying it. Once I know I can fill my car up easily, Dave will be getting a call from me to finally order my Double pump kit, and a set of 1600cc injectors.

Typically 1600cc injectors are virtually impossible to get to run right on a stock ECU, but we have a few tricks up our sleeves that allows us to make way more adjustment to the settings that will help drivability. The big problem is idle, the duty cycle would be so low that it would be impossible to adequately control in closed loop idle on pump or racing gasoline. E85 is different, all calculations indicate you'd need roughly 30% more fuel, so adjusting 1600's on E85 on a stock ECU should run about the same as 1000's on pump. Obviously an academic discussion for the most part, since there are other ways to do this, I just chose to stick with the stock ECU so it can pass an inspection "without help"

Understand that the big problem with E85 at the moment is supply and demand, if you put E85 all over the USA, there won't be enough supply to handle the demand. The infrastructure to do this needs to be in place in the locations where there needs to be distribution. This is a great thing because it makes production of fuel, something that can help the local economy. Overall, even though the price per gallon of E85 is lower, the cost per mile is about the same as gasoline. But its advantages, both in performance, and ultimately how it can help the economy, far outweighs any need to complain about price. The jury is still out whether or not it burns cleaner or produces less greenhouse gases, but the real point is to use the product to our advantage, which for us is performance, but for the rest of the country its to lessen our dependency on oil.

 

36% is conservative (erring on the safe side) figure for the user because it considers a worst-case scenario. Example: I'd rather plan for 36% and need only 28%.


And you figured that was directed at you? It wasn't aimed at anyone. "Someone" in this case is purely rhetorical (e.g. someone, anyone who aims to mislead). Earlier, you said, "but you'd have to be specific as to not cheat", and I AGREE. Simply stating "E85" is being specific enough such that no one in this forum is going to confuse it with gasoline.

I hope that clears the air.

 

I personally love the thought of having a nice dyno sheet on "pump" gas, if anyone asked I would say my car runs E85, for most of you guys it wouldn't be a secret, only the guy in the other lane would whine about it. I guess I'll have to sit in doody..

 

I doubt anyone cares about the 'guy in the other lane'. Tell him it's nuclear powered. We just don't want any misleading information here.

 

The only thing I would worry about with E85 is when the summer and winter blends change. At that point, wouldn't the tune be off or need to be modified?

 

I am not going to argue or discuss this any more. Obviously I'm not too smart so I will just give up.....

BUT, I just took this car out on the street with Jarrod driving. I wanted to make sure the tune was good and the car runs well.

Him and I went out, him in the drivers seat. I had him start the car after I hooked up the laptop and then I sat and waited. It is warm here today, mid 70's I'd guess already this morning. The car has not been started in about a week.

The car fired right up and ran through the cold start etc. perfectly. After it was up to about 150 degrees I asked Jarrod to go ahead and pull out and drive it.

He felt the car felt "jerky" at cruise speeds, I personally could not feel it and the information I was watching looked good. It takes awhile for the car to actually build heat on the E85.

After about 4 miles of driving he said the car felt like it was smooth and asked what I changed, I chuckled because I didn't change anything. The coolant temps were finally up to 180 though and the car was "hot".

From there on the car was a joy to drive even with the 1600 cc injectors in it. I am guessing the fuel mileage is going to be pretty good and it can be made even better than I have it now.

So, after quite a few miles of driving around I asked him to floor it. HOLY ****! I didn't know what was next.

This car pulls, I mean it PULLS. Watching the boost gauge compared to the tach is retarded. I had to check the logs to verify what I was seeing.

20 psi at 4800 rpm, this is on a 67 Ptrim (37R) turbo. The car is our 2.3 but they never spool like this.

30 psi is at 5200 rpm and 35 psi at 5400 rpm.

To say it's fast is an understatement. What is impressive is the gear change. We DO NOT powershift customers cars, so Jarrod, who will admit to not being the fastest shifter in the world, (I'm worse than him) was just taking it through the gears fast and lifting to shift. The turbo was instantly back into boost, I'm not kidding the car feels more like a Green turbo than a 67 ptrim.

I am VERY impressed with this car and combination.

I am really excited to get my RS on ethanol now, I don't see a problem at all with the car breaking 150 mph traps speeds after the switch.

Anyway, wazvette, enjoy this car and BE CAREFUL, it's fast.

 

What are you talking about? Im the best wheel man next to Mario Andretti. I shift like a mad man..... ok maybe an old man.... such as yourself.

The car WITHOUT a doubt is fast! I would say this is one of the fastest if not the fastest thing I have ever driven. The thing is just straight up bad ***. The car looks great IMO, its pulls like a freight train and it remains VERY streetable. I was very impressed!

Waz you're gonna have your hands full.You truly have..... ONE BAD BISH! Enjoy!

 

No need for a child seat with that kinda power he wis be just stuck to the seat anyway

Only kidding

 

all I can say is WOOOW...AMAZING...can I curse here?...oops no I cant...

Dave you outdone yourself man....the car idles like a DREAM...drove it all the way back from Ohio to Pittsburgh PA...not a SINGLE tiny hick up...to say this car is just streetable is an understatement....it drives like a stage 4 with a very mild cams or even no cams at all ...I know ...I could not believe it myself...I just can not comprehend how you could do that with big beefy cams and these huge injectors.

I simply cannot describe the experience ....when boost hits you seriously feel the torque bending your neck....I can say you created a monster and I had the pleasure of driving it.....I had some very fast cars in the past (2 10 second cars to be exact)...this is simply SCARY fast..I could not keep my foot on the throttle for too long...anyone would chicken out the first couple of times flooring it .

Here comes the funny part Dave...you ready?...I drove from Ohio to my house in PA with less than 10 gallons of E85 that I filled the car with at your shop!!!... I drove 190 miles...Yep...190 miles to home with that amount....now keep in mind this IS E85 here AND some boost was built at some happy moments on the way hehehe but no laws were broken .

I am very pleased...thanks to you Dave again...and also special thanks to Dan the guy behind the scenes.. Jarrod and Nick ..thanks for answering the calls and answering all my questions....and to all the Buschur team


P.S. the free NGKs were a great gift