Their turbo kits cannot and this is what this thread is about.

 

isnt their turbokit like 7000$ ?

Anyone ever see a fully coated AMS kit? You want bling factor and please under the hood, go with that. I once went to a HIN show and spoke to a kid with a full AMS 35R kit. It was uncoated and he said he started the car like once or twice but never let the manifold get hot because he didnt want it to discolor. Nevermind that was the last HIN show i'll ever attend because I think thats ridiculous, but the kit looked amazing. And coated it looks even better.

 

Let's compare, shall we?

"The HKS Evo - $35,464 in powertrain mods, including a more efficient turbo that pumps 21 psi of boost, engine displacement stroked from 2.0 to 2.3 liters, and all the necessary beefing up of the differentials and clutch to withstand the force of 481 claimed horses. A stiffer suspension, larger brakes, and sticky 265/35R-18 Yokohama Advan Neova tires on Volk Racing wheels added up to $14,478. Finishing it off were various carbon-fiber pieces and a set of racing seats, pushing the price to $86,788."

Result: 11.8 @ 116mph

"With an as-tested price of $52,084, the Buschur was considerably cheaper than ... the winning $86,788 HKS. Save for the stock turbo, engine mods to the 2.0-liter were extensive and included upgraded camshafts, fuel injectors, cylinder heads, and pistons, and ported intake and exhaust manifolds. ... with a claimed 393 horsepower ... And despite a DMS North America strut and spring kit, as well as 17-inch SSR wheels wearing 40-series BFGs, the Buschur's ride was no more jarring than a stock Evo's—a big reason the Buschur received a four-star drivability rating."

Result: 12.0 @ 116mph

It's interesting the much more expensive (65% more) HKS car, with larger motor, larger turbo, and claimed 481hp was unable to demonstrate a better trap speed as the cheaper 393hp Buschur car with stock 2.0L and stock turbo.

You be the judge at which tuner delivers more per dollar spent. I'll give you a hint: You won't need a calculator.

 

oh my god stop

 

Ted B: nicely done their bro....

 

481 hp and trapping 116?? I mean come on BPU IXs can do that, and we know they are well under 481.

Full Race is much more "Bling, pimp, trick, what ever you want to call it"

 

I dont' mean to start an argument here as I for myself consider horsepower as one of my high priorities.

But you are talking about straightline speed.

When HKS built those cars, they didn't really care about 1/4mile trap speed.

If I was to choose from AMS 35R kit and HKS 3037s kit, of course I would take the AMS in a heart beat as I don't roadrace my car around the tsukuba circuit.

But you still have to give them what they deserve.
HKS has been around for decades with hundreds of respected engineers in the background. Like I said before, if they only made their evo turbo kit with straightline speed in their mind (T51r kai, spl, To4z etc etc) I'm sure many will view these kits differently.

Just look at why there are supra and rx7 guys out there puchasing these kits over GT series kits.

But one thing I agree with you is that HKS is overpriced and I probably won't get them either.

 

And that was truly my only point.

When it comes down to brass tacks, a small operation that concentrates its efforts with a single platform, given enough time, will usually succeed at doing a better job than a large company, which divides its time, efforts and investments across many different platforms.

HKS, Greddy, et al make good things, but with many components, one can do better, and almost always for less.

 

I also agree with everyone on here that HKS is way overpriced. Second if there is one thing i would never buy from a japanese company it would be a turbo kit. U.S. companies make better turbo kits for a lot less and have much more customization to fit a persons needs.

 

lets not forget that Japanese engineers have had more time to tinker with the evo than american engineers. if HKS only focused on the evo i'm sure they would have some drag monsters like AMS & ETS. they have done well financially bcuz they didn't limit themselves to 1 car which in the end hurts alot of shops here in the US. HKS may not have the fastest cars but they have alot of fast cars besides just evos. also take into consideration that Japan is less than the size of Cali & is 52% mountains with 100 million people there. they don't have enuff space to open up an GT42R style turbo kit bcuz they eventually have to turn!!!!

the main reason y US turbokits are working well is bcuz they are designed for US streets & our way of driving. in Japan u hardly see drag racing bcuz they are all about total car balance. When u guys can go to personally over to the Okazaki test track for Mitsubishi & watch a driver take a stock EVO IX wagon & get airborne 2 feet off the ground @ a 30degree angle then it will all make sense...

HKS is expensive, but then again so is an EVO & last time i checked, it ain't cheap to build a 9sec EVO

 

^My point exactly, beat me to it.


This may be going off topic, but could it be that the Japanese don't have much interest in drag racing and consider drag racing to be rather boring. I am only saying this because a long time Japanese friend of mine told me how he doesn't understand why Americans want to turn everything into a drag car even though they were never designed to do so. The idea of putting a 30 lb. intercooler and a 42R on a 2.0 liter, rally inspired car seems a little ridiculous if you ask me. I'm sure thats what most people are talking about when they talk about cheaper turbo kits and more bang for your buck. Truth is if you are road racing you don't need a big a** turbo with 30+ lbs of boost unless you are gonna spend some major $$$ on your engine build, suspension and drivetrain anyways.