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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 09:06 PM
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ets gt35 kit - needs vs wants

Hi, I decided to go with the ets 35 kit. So far there has been A+ customer service and tom has answered most of my insessent questions. I am still looking to get more opinions though.

What I am getting so far:
Ets gt 35 kit
Ets 3.5" intercooler w/ all piping
1000cc injecters
hks 272s
hks cam gears
all misc parts (blow off valve, wastegate,etc)
Arp studs
AEM EMS

What I have all ready:
Hks intake
walboro 255
bushur t-back
apexi avcr
defi gauges

I'm allready spending mucho $ so a little more for reliability or "easier to do now" isn't a problem. Questions:

Is a stroker kit a must? I have been recomended a 2.3 by several people

Is the aem ems a must? I have been told by some that a flash with a maf translater, etc is better

do I need springs and retainers, etc?

which clutch? Exedy twin hd?

Meth/alcohol good idea?

This will be a daily driver (at least 4-5 days a week), needs reliability, 85% of the time will use 93 octane, and needs braggable horsepower #'s. I want it to be fast! not too laggy. Thanks
Mike
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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 09:55 PM
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I just got my ETS 35R installed along with pretty much the same parts you have.

1000cc injectors
AEM EMS
fuel rail
dual in tank pumpers
fuel pressure regualtors



You will need a aftermarket fuel rail and maybe a fuel system, I also got meth injection done too at the same time with a fully ported head, polished, supertec springs, retainers. I have spent 11k in the last month to get it all done. The car isn't tuned to good yet. but I dropping the car off at the shop again to have him do some more tuning. right now I am tuned to 19 lbs at 400 hp and 450 once i turn the meth on. My tuner did a good job installing the EMS, meth is now like Nitrious to where i can turn it on and off rather it running all the time. PM me if you have any questions.
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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 09:56 PM
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and mine is a daily driver also
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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 1mbrews8

Is a stroker kit a must? I have been recomended a 2.3 by several people
No

Is the aem ems a must? I have been told by some that a flash with a maf translater, etc is better

No, some people have problems with their big turbo's sucking in the MAF screen, but a lot of people don't have this problem. Its definitely not a must

do I need springs and retainers, etc?
Not for HKS 272

which clutch? Exedy twin hd?
Sure


Meth/alcohol good idea?
To put a GT35 into its efficiency range yes. On pump gas the 35r doesn't make much more power than a 3076 or 50 trim. I hear it really wakes up ~25+psi

This will be a daily driver (at least 4-5 days a week), needs reliability, 85% of the time will use 93 octane, and needs braggable horsepower #'s. I want it to be fast! not too laggy. Thanks
Mike
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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 10:26 PM
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Is a stroker kit a must? I have been recomended a 2.3 by several people

No, but for a daily driver that is not going to be dragged much, you would prefer it.

Is the aem ems a must? I have been told by some that a flash with a maf translater, etc is better

IMHO Yes. I don't care what anyone says. When you go above 680 injectors its going to benefit you the most.

do I need springs and retainers, etc?

No, but if you're getting your cams done you might as well.

which clutch? Exedy twin hd?

Yes

Meth/alcohol good idea?

You can hook up the meth kit. Have the installer install a on/off switch for the meth. Also use the AEMs nitrous map function which a good installer could hook up to a switch. My friend had that set up. It worked great.

This will be a daily driver (at least 4-5 days a week), needs reliability, 85% of the time will use 93 octane, and needs braggable horsepower #'s. I want it to be fast! not too laggy. Thanks

It will be fast but still laggy. 2.3 will help a bit...
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Old Sep 29, 2007 | 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 1mbrews8
Is a stroker kit a must? I have been recomended a 2.3 by several people
Of course not. But keep in mind that by electing to use a large turbo, you will give up ample low speed response in exchange for improved top end power potential. As to how successfully you exploit this potential determines if the tradeoff is worth it.


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Is the aem ems a must? I have been told by some that a flash with a maf translater, etc is better
Of course not. Yesterday I looked over an EVO relatively free of extravagant hardware (aside from the turbo kit), that cranks out almost 500whp on 93 octane at 22 psi using ECU Flash (factory ECU) with GM blow through MAF and MAF translator. The car gives perfect driveability (an issue for many standalone cars), retains factory safeguards, and there is still power left in it. This is nothing unusual these days, and the car in question is located in your home state (GA). Call Andrew at Dyno4mance in Calhoun, GA (www.dyno4mance.com) and ask for the details.

And as for the myth that large injectors can't be used properly with the factory ECU, that's a load of bollocks. But you wouldn't need more than 750cc/min anyway for 93 octane. You WON'T need any aftermarket fuel rail or regulator, or dual fuel pump setups either, and you probably never will. If you use a big meth shot at some point, this won't change a single darn thing.


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do I need springs and retainers, etc?
If you want to run a set of cams that make more power than the relatively mundane HKS 272s that you're planning to buy, yes. I'd advise doing something a bit different here.


Originally Posted by 1mbrews8
which clutch? Exedy twin hd?
That should be fine.


Originally Posted by 1mbrews8
Meth/alcohol good idea?
Get the car running properly on pump fuel first, worry about that later.

Originally Posted by 1mbrews8
This will be a daily driver (at least 4-5 days a week), needs reliability, 85% of the time will use 93 octane, and needs braggable horsepower #'s. I want it to be fast! not too laggy.
Which is exactly why I suggested what I did. Don't get any preconceived notions in your head about it not being laggy - it will. But as I noted above, if you redeem yourself adequately on the top end of things, it'll be worth it. With the money you've saved from not buying a standalone, consider a good head port job, valvetrain upgrade, and better cams. The turbo will spool faster, and you'll make more power.

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Old Sep 29, 2007 | 05:27 AM
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thanks for the replies guys! keep em comming!
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Old Sep 29, 2007 | 05:37 AM
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I agree 100% "Ted B", nice response man!
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Old Sep 29, 2007 | 05:57 AM
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Buschur has tested the factory fuel rail to be sufficient for 600+ whp. Take it for what its worth.
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Old Sep 29, 2007 | 05:35 PM
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what about aftermarket ignitions - hks dls II powerful enough?

I thought about the 280s but I heard it sacrificed a ton of low end.

how many people are using the blow through maf rather than the EMS at this power level. I would like to get at least 500 hp with my set up - safely ) can anyone agree on at least what it takes? After 500 hp will the internals be in much more danger? will rod bolts and arp studs be enough internal wise? Thanks for the info!!
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Old Sep 29, 2007 | 09:39 PM
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Realistically, one can expect roughly 430-450whp on 93 octane with a GT35R, and 500+whp with methanol injection, depending upon supporting hardware and tuning. 500whp is no problem for the factory MAF, although a blowthrough GM MAF and MAF translator is certainly an option.

An HKS DLI II seems to work well for most cars.

None of the HKS cams are real midrange rpm burners, primarily due to their relatively lazy ramp profiles.

No one can guarantee anything with a stock block at those power levels. ARP studs and rod bolts don't alter the fact that those cast pistons weren't intended to take that type of punishment. As for how long it will last (especially if it already has a fair amount of mileage on it) is anyone's guess. Just remember that where engine expenses are concerned, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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Old Sep 29, 2007 | 09:46 PM
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I highly recommend Dyno4mance. Great shop. I got tuned by them for a 91 octane tune and they are making corrections on my tune via logs and such free of charge and have done alot of work on my friends Evo.

Meth will defiently be a good addition as i can attest that the 35R's dont come alive until over 25psi. Just get a good kit with a failsafe.
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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 01:26 PM
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yeah, I called them the other day. Nice guys, really helpful. I had my other stuff installed by topspeed who are great too!
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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 01:32 PM
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Which 35r are you getting?? The T3 or T4??
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Old Sep 30, 2007 | 01:38 PM
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Oops, nevermind
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