+1. especially if the supra is manual!!

 

There are only 2 - 3 people that have achieved 10s on an FPGreen, it takes super good tuning, C16 and some slicks. Low 11s should be very doable and it'll do great on Autox.

Just remember, that the tires are more important in autox anyway. Then suspension, then power last.

 

why not get a gt35r?

 

The best strategy is to pick what you want most and do the best you can to get it. If you want 'a little of this and a little of that', you'll be pretty good at everything and won't really excel at anything. For most daily drivers however, that's ok.

The FP Green is effectively the 'largest' of the stock-sized turbo options. For autocross, even an FP Green won't measure up to a TME when it comes to snapping out of slow corners, but it's a decent compromise.

A TS 3076R with .78 A/R TS T3 turbine housing is an impressively responsive setup. Realistically however, it isn't the best choice for autocross. It WILL present the capability to make very good 1/4 mile performance (one member here did 11.2@126 on 95-96 octane) with good street manners.

There is no magic bullet here, just compromises. Ultimately, only you can answer your own question.

 

F that... keep them both! I would if i was in your position because those are my 2 favorite cars

 

+1

If you are building a DD, then you will want a car that drives well on the street, and that's all personal preference. The car will not run 9's in the quarter, nor will you set any records in auto cross. Building these cars are all about compromise, you'll need to make a sacrifice somewhere...

Jerry

 

Thanks for all the input.

Daily driver and auto X are the main considerations. I just don't want it to be a slouch at the stoplights. I will want separate maps for pump vs. race, and I am seriously considering water/methanol injection.

I do plan on buying wheels/tires strictly for auto x and keeping the stock rims for daily driving. I also plan on upgrading to coilovers and I know that I should not go cheap if I plan on auto x (maybe Ohlins?). I would like to stick with 2.0 L though I know that BR can build a great 2.3L stroker if I decided to look at that.

Is anyone running a Full Race 30r twinscroll setup and how would you compare the spool up to stock and the FP green, if you have driven both?

The Supra is an automatic and has 104,000 miles. It has 351 rwhp and runs very well. It can't get the kids anywhere comfortably and would take at least another $15,000 to get to the next level (Boost Logic built tranny, fuel system upgrade, AEM ems, single turbo upgrade). I just don't want to spend that kind of money on a car that can't do the things I need to do on a daily basis. And though power and 1/4 mile times are the forte of the Supra, there is no comparison at all to the Evo in the corners. A built Evo would destroy the Supra at a track that had any decent twisties in it. Though the Evo makes me smile off the line, I get the biggest kicks out of it in the corners. With the money I make off of selling the Supra, I can have a well built Evo.

Thanks again.

 

I wouldn't consider any 11 sec car to be a slouch, and even a stock turbo EVO can get into the 11s on pump fuel with proper equipment and tuning.

I've driven a 3076R TS setup, and I was absolutely impressed. It's as close to small turbo feel one can get with a large turbo, but with large turbo power. TS costs more, but if one can afford it, it's worth it (TS is all I use now).

 

It definately sounds like you know what you're looking for. If you really want the car to shine in auto-x the FPgreen is actually a bit on the large side. Auto-x NEEDS early spool and early response, the only way to do this is with small size turbine and compressor wheels, especially if you plan on staying with 2.0. In fact, even our 3076R is a bit big .. the setup I recommend is our T3 twinscroll 3071R. Thats what we use on the majority of our 2.0L road race/time attack/drift cars and all our drivers have preferred this to the 3076R (with the exception of our street/strip customers who like drag racing). I agree with your decision to sell the supra in favor of the evo. We've worked on a LOT of supras in the past few years, in fact we just finished a build for toyota north america. IMHO, the Evo is simply a better platform for a street car. supras are awesome drag cars, incredible top speed cars (one of our cars just broke the mph record for the standing mile) and pretty fun all around... but if auto-x and 4 doors are your thing, it wont hold a candle to an evo. The prices that supras in good shape are getting is pretty insane. That being said, im clearly biased toward T3 twinscroll setups (almost as much as ted B ), but i obviously see benefits to both configurations.

If you want to change your setup now (and leave it for a while), a stock based 9 turbo, TME or FP green are all options worth considering. It doesnt leave much (if any) room for future turbo upgrades/changes, doesnt really allow you to do much with turbine housings, compressor wheels, etc but its very simple, and it works well. A full-race stock replacement header + ebay o2 is a good option and definately the least expensive route.

Our T3 twinscroll setups are much more versatile and offer a higher performance ceiling -- you can use: 3071R (twinscroll or singlescroll), 3076R (twinscroll or singlescroll), 3582R (twinscroll or singlescroll), 50 trim (twinscroll or singlescroll), 37R, 28RS, 2871R, etc etc. You have pretty much unlimited options, and you can tailor the vehicle and powerband relatively easily. It does cost more money, but the capability and versatility are unmatched.

thanks for the compliments, we can also sell the kit without intercooler or charge pipes which lowers the price substantially

the 35R does work well, there is no doubt about it. However, it IS too big for auto-x. while it is tolerable on the street, its a relatively large turbo, will make a lot of power, and will be terrible in solo2. low rpm 2nd gear corners are the area of interest for auto x -- you dont want to throw it into 1st, but you dont want to be at such low rpm in 2nd that you fall out of boost.

i agree with most of what you've said, but i dont think a high 10/low 11 is just for laughs... thats fast enough to get kicked off the track for not having a cage... i dont think he wants a cage in his daily driver family hauler, so going any faster than 11.49 wont be necessary.

i think ive asked this in every thread you reply to, but do you want a job ted?? haha youre responses are on-point every time, very impressive

TS 3071R is simply the next smaller step in the TS 30R family

 

i posted this in another thread, but with people recommending 35Rs, i thought this was an appropriate comparison. This is a competitors singlescroll 35R vs our singlescroll 30R on an evo9. This was a time attack application. They had the competitors 35R kit, went to our old 30R kit and is now switching over to twinscroll 30R setup


power


torque



boost

 

Thanks to everyone for the replies.

I know that Dave at BR does not like the twinscroll setup for the Evo and he definately knows what he is doing on the cars that he, Dan, and the rest of them build. But the logic of quick spool with a twinscroll and the quality that Full Race builds into their headers can't be argued with.
The guys at Alternative Motorsports, which is mostly a Honda/Acura shop, swear by Full Race products. The owner, Chuck, had the fastest import in Oklahoma and the quickest Honda in the world up to this year (I think the 1/4 mile times were in the low 8's). I know that the Evo is no Honda but the quality of the Full Race product would be the same and I would have to think that the logic of twinscroll boosting quicker than singlescroll would cross over to the Evo realm.
The track record of the FP green stands for itself but I think that I would be able to coax more power out of the Full Race setup and hopefully the spool up would be comparable to the green. If anyone can show a head to head comparison between the green and a 30r twinscroll with most other factors being the same, it would sure help my decision making process. I know that it may be hard to find a comparison like this with all other factors being equal, but it is worth a try.

Thanks again.

 

david buschur runs a full-race manifold on his personal car ... if you dont like twinscroll turbos, there is no reason you cant run a single scroll turbo on our twinscroll manifold

edit: its gonna be almost impossible to find a back to back fp green comparison, but you could overlay dyno plots to get a general sense of what to expect.

 

I can't even read that! Punctuation?

 

Geoff, how would compare the spool characteristics of your TS 3071R vs a Evo-Green? What is the WHP range of the 3071?

 

I believe that on the website it says 480 for the 3071 and 525 for the 3076.