starting problem
starting problem
Ok before anyone starts posting, "search" and all the other post ***** stuff, I have been searching for the last 6 months on this and nothing.
Here is my problem, about 6-8 months ago my car (on stock ECU at the time) started having starting problems, it would take forever for the car to start and when it did it sounded like a Subaru, it sounded like it was only running on 3 cylinders after about 3 seconds it goes back to normal. About 3 or 4 months ago I switched to AEM and still the same problem, yes I know AEM "its normal", but longer then the normal AEM start and sometimes after sitting for a while it starts right up. Sometimes what I do is turn the key all the way on without starting the car, wait to all the relays click and then start the car, that seems to work most of the time but not all the time.
I beleive its an electronic problem but I dont know where to start.
Guys serious help is needed all others dont post.
here are my mods:
1. AMS 50 trim turbo upgarde kit
2. GSC S1 Cams
3. AMS 880cc injectors
4. Aquamist HFS-5-1 alcohol injection kit
5. Tial BOV
6. Greddy timing belt (Blue)
7. ARP Head Studs
8. Fuel Lab fuel regulator (45psi)
9. NISEI intercooler
10. AMS fuel rail
11. AMS upper and lower IC piping
12. AEM TruBoost EBC
13. ACT HDSS (497ft/lbs)
14. GSC 8 piece metal shifter bushings
15. WORKS Short Throw Shifter w/ Knob
16. Buschur Racing Shifter Bushings
17. Buschur Racing Braded Clutch Line
18. Walboro 255LPH FP
19. AMS DYNO tune
20. AEM 1313 EMS
21. AEM UEGO wideband
22. AMS 3" Downpipe
23. custom CAT delete with resunator
24. JIC TI CB Exhaust
25. Kartboy hangers
26. AEM 52mm TruBoost gauge
27. AEM A/F 52mm UEGO gauge
28. 2006 Evo IX SE Recaro seats (red stiching)
29. Pioneer head unit, flip touch screen, DVD player
30. Tein S Tech springs
31. Bilstein MR shocks
32. Tein front camber plates
33. VolkRacing CE28 18X9(Blue)
34. TOYO PROXES 245/40ZR18
35. Evo IX front end w/ MR undertray
36. JDM IX rear bumper
37. CUSCO TI front upper strut bar
38. Odyssey P680 Mini Battery
39. NISEI Engineering Mini Battery Tray
Here is my problem, about 6-8 months ago my car (on stock ECU at the time) started having starting problems, it would take forever for the car to start and when it did it sounded like a Subaru, it sounded like it was only running on 3 cylinders after about 3 seconds it goes back to normal. About 3 or 4 months ago I switched to AEM and still the same problem, yes I know AEM "its normal", but longer then the normal AEM start and sometimes after sitting for a while it starts right up. Sometimes what I do is turn the key all the way on without starting the car, wait to all the relays click and then start the car, that seems to work most of the time but not all the time.
I beleive its an electronic problem but I dont know where to start.
Guys serious help is needed all others dont post.
here are my mods:
1. AMS 50 trim turbo upgarde kit
2. GSC S1 Cams
3. AMS 880cc injectors
4. Aquamist HFS-5-1 alcohol injection kit
5. Tial BOV
6. Greddy timing belt (Blue)
7. ARP Head Studs
8. Fuel Lab fuel regulator (45psi)
9. NISEI intercooler
10. AMS fuel rail
11. AMS upper and lower IC piping
12. AEM TruBoost EBC
13. ACT HDSS (497ft/lbs)
14. GSC 8 piece metal shifter bushings
15. WORKS Short Throw Shifter w/ Knob
16. Buschur Racing Shifter Bushings
17. Buschur Racing Braded Clutch Line
18. Walboro 255LPH FP
19. AMS DYNO tune
20. AEM 1313 EMS
21. AEM UEGO wideband
22. AMS 3" Downpipe
23. custom CAT delete with resunator
24. JIC TI CB Exhaust
25. Kartboy hangers
26. AEM 52mm TruBoost gauge
27. AEM A/F 52mm UEGO gauge
28. 2006 Evo IX SE Recaro seats (red stiching)
29. Pioneer head unit, flip touch screen, DVD player
30. Tein S Tech springs
31. Bilstein MR shocks
32. Tein front camber plates
33. VolkRacing CE28 18X9(Blue)
34. TOYO PROXES 245/40ZR18
35. Evo IX front end w/ MR undertray
36. JDM IX rear bumper
37. CUSCO TI front upper strut bar
38. Odyssey P680 Mini Battery
39. NISEI Engineering Mini Battery Tray
If it was a bad starter it would have failed by now. Bad plugs and it would run ****ty all the time. Same with a bad coil. Maybe a clogged injector. How does the run after it starts up?
My car experienced the same problem, but in two different ways.
The first time was a starter problem. The starters in these cars seem to take forever to go out, but they do ever so slowly. I experienced this problem more when my car was hot. The starters in these cars are next to your downpipe. When the downpipe heats up, it heats your starter up to all hell and back. It will be hit and miss until your starter finally goes out. I lived with this problem for almost a year. I could always start it, but it got worst as time went on.
The second time was bigger disaster that is being fixed right now. My car started having problems as if it would not turn over. I would try and try and finally if I was lucky it would turn over sounding real groggy. Sometimes it would be so bad my starter would heat up to a point I had to let it cool down. Turns out I had a small coolant leek that I could not see because it was slowly evaporating on the engine. The final straw was when I was driving on the highway on saw my temp gauge hit the fan. I took my car to the tuner and bad news. We did a compression test and found out my engine was cooked.... I had a stress crack in the coolant pipe that had been slowly leaking for about a week, but never showed smoke or drips on the ground. I am not suggesting or hoping yours is this bad. Probably problem number one. Do a compression test just for the hell of it. Otherwise, I would almost put a gurantee it is the starter. Back when I had my problem, no one had the answer. I did not find out the answer until my tuner (that owns an evo too) had already experienced the same problem.
Good luck!
The first time was a starter problem. The starters in these cars seem to take forever to go out, but they do ever so slowly. I experienced this problem more when my car was hot. The starters in these cars are next to your downpipe. When the downpipe heats up, it heats your starter up to all hell and back. It will be hit and miss until your starter finally goes out. I lived with this problem for almost a year. I could always start it, but it got worst as time went on.
The second time was bigger disaster that is being fixed right now. My car started having problems as if it would not turn over. I would try and try and finally if I was lucky it would turn over sounding real groggy. Sometimes it would be so bad my starter would heat up to a point I had to let it cool down. Turns out I had a small coolant leek that I could not see because it was slowly evaporating on the engine. The final straw was when I was driving on the highway on saw my temp gauge hit the fan. I took my car to the tuner and bad news. We did a compression test and found out my engine was cooked.... I had a stress crack in the coolant pipe that had been slowly leaking for about a week, but never showed smoke or drips on the ground. I am not suggesting or hoping yours is this bad. Probably problem number one. Do a compression test just for the hell of it. Otherwise, I would almost put a gurantee it is the starter. Back when I had my problem, no one had the answer. I did not find out the answer until my tuner (that owns an evo too) had already experienced the same problem.
Good luck!
My car experienced the same problem, but in two different ways.
The first time was a starter problem. The starters in these cars seem to take forever to go out, but they do ever so slowly. I experienced this problem more when my car was hot. The starters in these cars are next to your downpipe. When the downpipe heats up, it heats your starter up to all hell and back. It will be hit and miss until your starter finally goes out. I lived with this problem for almost a year. I could always start it, but it got worst as time went on.
The second time was bigger disaster that is being fixed right now. My car started having problems as if it would not turn over. I would try and try and finally if I was lucky it would turn over sounding real groggy. Sometimes it would be so bad my starter would heat up to a point I had to let it cool down. Turns out I had a small coolant leek that I could not see because it was slowly evaporating on the engine. The final straw was when I was driving on the highway on saw my temp gauge hit the fan. I took my car to the tuner and bad news. We did a compression test and found out my engine was cooked.... I had a stress crack in the coolant pipe that had been slowly leaking for about a week, but never showed smoke or drips on the ground. I am not suggesting or hoping yours is this bad. Probably problem number one. Do a compression test just for the hell of it. Otherwise, I would almost put a gurantee it is the starter. Back when I had my problem, no one had the answer. I did not find out the answer until my tuner (that owns an evo too) had already experienced the same problem.
Good luck!
The first time was a starter problem. The starters in these cars seem to take forever to go out, but they do ever so slowly. I experienced this problem more when my car was hot. The starters in these cars are next to your downpipe. When the downpipe heats up, it heats your starter up to all hell and back. It will be hit and miss until your starter finally goes out. I lived with this problem for almost a year. I could always start it, but it got worst as time went on.
The second time was bigger disaster that is being fixed right now. My car started having problems as if it would not turn over. I would try and try and finally if I was lucky it would turn over sounding real groggy. Sometimes it would be so bad my starter would heat up to a point I had to let it cool down. Turns out I had a small coolant leek that I could not see because it was slowly evaporating on the engine. The final straw was when I was driving on the highway on saw my temp gauge hit the fan. I took my car to the tuner and bad news. We did a compression test and found out my engine was cooked.... I had a stress crack in the coolant pipe that had been slowly leaking for about a week, but never showed smoke or drips on the ground. I am not suggesting or hoping yours is this bad. Probably problem number one. Do a compression test just for the hell of it. Otherwise, I would almost put a gurantee it is the starter. Back when I had my problem, no one had the answer. I did not find out the answer until my tuner (that owns an evo too) had already experienced the same problem.
Good luck!
I am really going to lean on the idea of your starter having a problem. Again, I had my problem for nearly a year or less before I replaced my starter and blammo, no problems until I blew my engine.
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I know its an electrical problem, the ignition side of the starting sequence delays, I think it may be relays or sensors (crank or cam). I will start by replacing the starter itself and slowly move through the relays (starter, ignition, etc.).
This is probably gonna sound strange but follow me and it'll make sense. If it's the windings in the starter going bad, with many starters it will not start a few times until the mechanism has moved to a part of the windings that is not yet failed. There is an old mechanic's trick that involves giving the starter a whack with a hammer, moving the internal parts to get it to a point to where it will start. I know this probably sounds just like something someone would do if they where angry with their starter, but it has saved me and a friend of mine on seperate occasions from being stuck somewhere. Doing this may help you figure out if the starter is going bad, but I would not recommend it if you're concerned over breaking the starter. It's just something that's worked for me in the past and I thought I'd throw it out there to give you another option. This usually works on starters that work fine sometimes, and just barely or not at all other times. I learned this from a mechanic when I was working in an autoparts store. Sorry for the non-technical part names but I'm not a mechanic.
I would also check the fuel flow as RevMoto suggested. I used to have a Sentra that had a bad fuel filter, and the obstruction would cause it to be difficult to start when the engine was hot. It was a real pain because I'd go to a store somewhere just for a moment and come back and the car would refuse to start without a lot of engine reving. I'm not saying that it's a fuel filter because if the Evo is like the regular Lancer it just has an in-tank strainer and not an in-line filter but maybe an injector could cause a similar issue.
Hope this helps. It seems like too new of a car to be having wiring problems. Good luck.
I would also check the fuel flow as RevMoto suggested. I used to have a Sentra that had a bad fuel filter, and the obstruction would cause it to be difficult to start when the engine was hot. It was a real pain because I'd go to a store somewhere just for a moment and come back and the car would refuse to start without a lot of engine reving. I'm not saying that it's a fuel filter because if the Evo is like the regular Lancer it just has an in-tank strainer and not an in-line filter but maybe an injector could cause a similar issue.
Hope this helps. It seems like too new of a car to be having wiring problems. Good luck.
Last edited by Lumpy; Feb 12, 2008 at 10:33 AM.
This is probably gonna sound strange but follow me and it'll make sense. If it's the windings in the starter going bad, with many starters it will not start a few times until the mechanism has moved to a part of the windings that is not yet failed. There is an old mechanic's trick that involves giving the starter a whack with a hammer, moving the internal parts to get it to a point to where it will start. I know this probably sounds just like something someone would do if they where angry with their starter, but it has saved me and a friend of mine on seperate occasions from being stuck somewhere. Doing this may help you figure out if the starter is going bad, but I would not recommend it if you're concerned over breaking the starter. It's just something that's worked for me in the past and I thought I'd throw it out there to give you another option. This usually works on starters that work fine sometimes, and just barely or not at all other times. I learned this from a mechanic when I was working in an autoparts store. Sorry for the non-technical part names but I'm not a mechanic.
I would also check the fuel flow as RevMoto suggested. I used to have a Sentra that had a bad fuel filter, and the obstruction would cause it to be difficult to start when the engine was hot. It was a real pain because I'd go to a store somewhere just for a moment and come back and the car would refuse to start without a lot of engine reving. I'm not saying that it's a fuel filter because if the Evo is like the regular Lancer it just has an in-tank strainer and not an in-line filter but maybe an injector could cause a similar issue.
Hope this helps. It seems like too new of a car to be having wiring problems. Good luck.
I would also check the fuel flow as RevMoto suggested. I used to have a Sentra that had a bad fuel filter, and the obstruction would cause it to be difficult to start when the engine was hot. It was a real pain because I'd go to a store somewhere just for a moment and come back and the car would refuse to start without a lot of engine reving. I'm not saying that it's a fuel filter because if the Evo is like the regular Lancer it just has an in-tank strainer and not an in-line filter but maybe an injector could cause a similar issue.
Hope this helps. It seems like too new of a car to be having wiring problems. Good luck.
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im currently going through the same thing. But mine seems like the battery is dead. Really Groggy startup, but wont stay on. Only stays on if i have the stock ecu in. My PFC it will start for about 2 revolutions then die. Then wont start again. Found my Nesei Mini Batt. was dead, changed it and still the same problem. Checked alternator and is good. so that leaves me with the starter.
Seems to be like the power is not going through. Like trying to start a car that has a really dead battery. 1 slow revolution, and all lights go dim. All fuses good, all wires and guages are good. No stray wires.
Gota be the starter??
Seems to be like the power is not going through. Like trying to start a car that has a really dead battery. 1 slow revolution, and all lights go dim. All fuses good, all wires and guages are good. No stray wires.
Gota be the starter??