ok, looks like i started a thread like this in ecuflash also but i wanted to see if you guys had this problem. soo....i researched and it seems to be that the buschur mass air pipe and filter kit doesn't mess with the stock maf readings. (well, most people).... is this true?

anyone out here have the buschur mass air pipe and filter without a tune? there are 2 versions of buschur's intake kit out. how does it run? i've heard its supposed to not have any drivability issues. i am asking because i do not want to deal with rescaling maf in ecuflash. please respond with what version you have. i believe the 1st version has 2 bends in the mass air pipe and the 2nd version has 1 bend.

i really want to buy a buschur pipe w/filter but i gotta research first.

 

Many people run aftermarket intakes without rescaled mafs. Most Flash tuners dont touch any of those setting. Im sure it helps alot but you car will be fine if you adjust the AFRS

 

well...maybe i should rephrase it. i don't want any drivability issues if i get the buschur intake kit. now...if it does pose a drivability issue, i will have to rescale it because i don't want to deal with the idle issues associated with open filter intakes. but the very first thing is i don't want to deal with maf rescaling..but will have to if i must. soooo.....i just need to know if anyone out there has a buschur mass air pipe with their filter and running untuned...and has had drivability issues.
thanks for your input though, gsrboi80!

i've heard as much as a 3% change in fuel trims but 3% doesn't pose a threat to the stock maf scaling. i just want to verify this. sooo..any one??????

 

ive read somewhere in here about cars having issues with this,,, however i asked David and he had a good point he said ( if it didn't work we would not sell it) you know when a guy like this says that, most cases you have to bow down and believe him,,,, he has tested it and used it on hundreds of cars,

however hopefully we can use this thread as an informational one,,,, my self i am in the middle of making a decision on buying an intake or keeping the stock one, concidering i am only in the 330-340 WHP mark,,, so i dont know if it will benefit me at this lower horespower range

 

red lan,,, maybe we get mellon, or David it self, to answer our questions.
i am the same way do not want to buy this thing and deal with drivaability issues

 

so David Buschur's good point was "if it didn't work, we would not sell it" ???????? i respect buschur but...that's his good point? come on dudes! i mean, he's good but he's not god...guys. i'm god. bow down to me. anyways im getting off the subject here..

so you are saying buschur said himself that his mass air pipe and filter kit would NOT mess with stock maf readings? im sorry, i just really have to confirm this. as far as i know, all open filters will screw with maf readings if you don't rescale them. i know you can just tune around it but i like my car to be drivable without ANY issues. i bought an injen, and it was ok but it screwed with my maf readings too much..i dislike it.

 

yes, good idea..myself, i am registering on buschur's tech forums so that i can ask this question as i don't like to call and bother people, especially buschur who seems real busy. i wouldn't like that myself. besides, if i asked him personally, i will probably just annoy him with my questionss! ha

 

if it really boils down to having to rescale the maf even with buschur's intake, i will do it, but i am really trying to avoid that. OR, i will just ask around to see who has already scaled buschur's intake into their maf and ask if i could copy it? aha. by the way, who has done that already? could i copy it?

 

whatever
the only reason i am trying to get him to come this way is so the info can be available for everyone, because ive searched and have not found a concrete response.
plus it will help me to decide whether to get me an intake,, compliment of my AMS LICP,,Megan o2, ported and coated many

 

I have an Injen kit with no Maf scaling or smoothing. I have 0 idling/staling or bucking issues at 83k on the clock + im cammed

 

really? what are your fuel trims? and...are you tuned with the injen?

 

very nice,,, lots of guys with the injen,, and don't seem to have any probs,,, althought they are Jestr tunned

 

My car is 4WS tuned hers was tuned by jestr. Ill have to check some logs and or run it in scantech and see whats up Im sure they arent perfect but like I said I have no issues.

Im not saying that a maf shouldnt be scaled but I have not done it and most tuners dont mess with it.

 

Yea my cars flashes were always done with the injen in

 

how come im not the same?

i got another question. so if you are tuned (not maf rescaled) with an intake, that will eliminate drivability issues? if so, will it eliminate how "off" your fuel trims are? i ask because tuning the fuel map is only in effect in open loop, right? so don't you have to rescale the maf to get your fuel trims back in check because that is closed loop?