AMS2.3RR vs BR2.3L vs BR2.0L
I am not going to get into which company I think you should go with, we are both good.
I'll give some input though.
I've dyno'd 2 liters, 2.1 liters, 2.2 liters, 2.3 and 2.4 liters. I have never built a 2.1 or 2.4 (one nitrous only 2.4 but that's another story).
A stroker engine will absolutely spool a turbo faster, it's a no brainer, longer stroke, more cubic inches, going to spool faster.
I have built stroker engines for a lot of guys, made big power with them and I have never had an RPM related failure in any of the stroker engines I have built. Dieter's car (Time Attack car from California) runs our 2.3 and that engine has been in there for 2 seasons. He has no plans of taking it out. He road races it with a 8,500 rpm rev limit. I generally suggest keeping the rpm down to 8500 rpm on the strokers BUT with that said, I have never seen one of ours fail from anything that can be linked to RPM. Hell I can't even remember the last one I've seen fail at all. So could it be rev'd higher, yes, I am sure it can. If you do the calculations on the pistons speed though it gets scarey. The on paper calculations are the only reason I recommend 8500 rpm for a max.
The 2 liter will spool slower for sure. The RPM limits are rediculous. Rev limiter is USUALLY set at 10,300 rpm in our drag car. My RS is set at 9875 rpm. Both cars see the rev limiter regulary. Sometimes we set it higher in the drag car if it is hitting it constantly, no fear of 11,000 rpm, no failures, no problems.
I can also say that I have never seen ANYONES stroker engine make more power at high RPM than the 2 liter. This goes for ANY engine, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4. The 2 liter always seems to come out on top at high RPM.
The decision is yours to make, this is just some input on what I think about some differences in the displacements.
I'll give some input though.
I've dyno'd 2 liters, 2.1 liters, 2.2 liters, 2.3 and 2.4 liters. I have never built a 2.1 or 2.4 (one nitrous only 2.4 but that's another story).
A stroker engine will absolutely spool a turbo faster, it's a no brainer, longer stroke, more cubic inches, going to spool faster.
I have built stroker engines for a lot of guys, made big power with them and I have never had an RPM related failure in any of the stroker engines I have built. Dieter's car (Time Attack car from California) runs our 2.3 and that engine has been in there for 2 seasons. He has no plans of taking it out. He road races it with a 8,500 rpm rev limit. I generally suggest keeping the rpm down to 8500 rpm on the strokers BUT with that said, I have never seen one of ours fail from anything that can be linked to RPM. Hell I can't even remember the last one I've seen fail at all. So could it be rev'd higher, yes, I am sure it can. If you do the calculations on the pistons speed though it gets scarey. The on paper calculations are the only reason I recommend 8500 rpm for a max.
The 2 liter will spool slower for sure. The RPM limits are rediculous. Rev limiter is USUALLY set at 10,300 rpm in our drag car. My RS is set at 9875 rpm. Both cars see the rev limiter regulary. Sometimes we set it higher in the drag car if it is hitting it constantly, no fear of 11,000 rpm, no failures, no problems.
I can also say that I have never seen ANYONES stroker engine make more power at high RPM than the 2 liter. This goes for ANY engine, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4. The 2 liter always seems to come out on top at high RPM.
The decision is yours to make, this is just some input on what I think about some differences in the displacements.
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yeah..i think i am gonna stick with BR2.0L along with their hta35 and stage 3 head...maybe with the extra coupla thous i save i can upgrade my transmission..from a 6spd to a built 5spd/
david...what cams do you reccomend with this set up...i have a IX.
thanks for the info david...and everyone else.
david...what cams do you reccomend with this set up...i have a IX.
thanks for the info david...and everyone else.
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i heard rumors that smaller cams on bigger turbos help with spool up...however sacrifice a negligable bit on the top end...is that true?
what are the disadvantages, if any, using smaller cams on a big turbo?
reason i ask is because i am currently running GSC s1 mivec cams and love them...tires break loose everytime at 4000rpm in first gear..great torque!
what are the disadvantages, if any, using smaller cams on a big turbo?
reason i ask is because i am currently running GSC s1 mivec cams and love them...tires break loose everytime at 4000rpm in first gear..great torque!
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