Ok i sold my IX turbo to a guy on here. He brought it to a shop the get some studs out of it that had broke. I told him id give him the $ for that to be done etc etc.

He said the shop told him that he shouldnt use it because the hotside wasnt normal.... he said that the o2 housing he had wouldnt make a seal. But i know when i sent it that the 2x o2 housing i had fit perfect and i even sent him the stock o2 housing but somehow the shipping company must have lost it........

well my concern is can the stock hotside warp? because this thing didnt even have 3k miles on it if that. It was practically new and I had only drove it hard 1 time which was just a run at the track before i got kicked off lol.

 

it doesn't warp. you said his o2 won't fit. maybe its his problem.

 

I didnt think it did either...

 

so basiccally he has your hotside and his o2.

 

im going to assume you are talking about the hotside i now have in my garage. That thing is fugged !!! I promise you, and please look at my history and reviews if you need reassurance... This hotside is unusable. In order for us to use it, we would have to get it milled flat again and there are still studs that will not come out. I wish i was at home i would take pictures. We have tried everything in our aresenal to make this thing usable, but it is impossible. The studs the way the broke out can not be drilled. We have 2 studs out and holes tapped wider than stock and were going to use bigger bolts... but the last stud is done. We even tried cutting it out from the side in order to free it and then just use the bolt washer method and the stud is fused to the hotside and will break free.

I assure you, the person you sold the turbo to is not trying to get one over on you, he just needs a hotside to make his IX turbo work. The turbo looks just fine, its the hotside that is being the devil.

Disregard this post if you are referring to someone not located in NC

 

Well i've talked to you too, you know im not trying to rip anyone off. the turbo fit fine on the o2'si had, i just dont see how it wont fit. Have you though about machining them both down?

 

yeah jason its mine...

 

So bigric, what are you suggesting is wrong with it because warping is the only thing i could think of that would cause either to not fit.

 

honestly the problem is not the O2... it will fit. Im not worried about it not sealing, the gasket i personally think will hold, it will be tough, but i think it might make it. The problem is that last stud simply will not come out. without having all the bolts on that O2 to hotside being used, thats where it will leak and not seal. We thought about even trying muffler cement, but we dont even want to tackle the issue unless we know it is going to work.

I realize you had no intention of ripping this guy off. You knowlingly sold him the hotside knowing studs needed to be pulled, he willingly purchased the item for a good price with the idea he could have them pulled. It has seen 2 shops and that last stud will just not come out. Which makes it unusable. I was the last one to get my hands on it, and tried a few of my tricks that have worked in the past. Last resort was the cutting wheel... i can only cut so deep though before i cut thru the cast and get into the blade part of the housing. We contacted the buyer as the last resort and told him what needed to be done and what we couldnt do.

To dafarmer, a hotside can warp, especially when you are trying to get studs out... reason being, the easiest way is with a torch and you have to get the casting hot enough. You get it hot, pull on the stud while twisting and usually it works to free the stud. However in this case, the stud could not be removed with this tactic and was cut and drilled. The hotside is slightly misshaped in that area but i still think that portion will seal... its the remaining stud that is the issue

 

Ok I see what your saying now.

But that just goes to say that the hotside wasnt disformed or mishaped when i sent it i just want that to be clear.

The 3 bolts there were it in where the only 3 bolts that i had in it "EVER" which is probabaly why they broke but it sealed fine with 3, so 4 sound still be fine i would think. But why didnt you use a diagrinder and cut it out instead of heating it?

And the thing is I had someone that was going to take the studs out himself, or i would have done it for that matter. I probably live in the best area in the US for machinist's. I'd have taken them out without messing up the threads but I didnt realise that they didnt take them out and was told a few days after it was sent that they were not finished taking them out so i told him id pay for it.

 

that was the last resort... heating did not and would not get the stud out so we used a grinder to attempt to cut it out. The stud is free on 3 sides however the stud is fused to the hotside and it will not break free...

Now keep in mind, you sold him the hotside knowing the studs were in there and needed to be pulled in order to make it useable for him. You offered to pay to fix this problem...(just referring to what you posted above). I am fully confident that the hotside will not seal properly with the 4 bolt locations that are useable. Reason being, experience tells me that when the cast items heat, they swell... Amazingly enough, this is the same bolt that always seems to back out of the hotside if there are any issues.

I would not feel comfortable nor do i recommend using this hotside on any car. It may have worked for you, may have sealed, you may have been just fine with it... I however do not share that position in regards to using this hotside. Especially when turbo blades are involved so closely to the areas involved.

A solution needs to be sought after and if i had to side with someone on this one... Id have to say JCD is in the right in asking you to find him a new or i will say replacement 10.5 hotside. Reason behind this is because you knew the condition and what had to be done in order to make the hotside properly used and offered during the sale and after to pay for the cost of fixing it. He attempted to get it fixed and the attempts were unsuccessful. It isnt like he took it to jim bob's garage to get it fixed, it was taken to 2 reputable local shops and after they failed to get that last stud out, we took it under the die grinder to try more of the caveman methods... still no luck.

 

I fully understand that, and that would have been the best thing to do, however, that isnt how it ended up happening and now he is in the situation he is in. Hotsides arent hard to come by... we even tried locating one locally to use but we all have sold off our turbos or we have 9.8's available.

Im sure you guys will come to a solution... whatever that is has nothing to do with me personally.

I, as the installer, will not waste my time putting on this hotside as i think its condition will not yield the desired results. I just wanted to let you and anyone else who jumps in here to comment on the situation, understand that every possible attempt to make this situation work without replacing the hotside has been attempted... it simply can not be used in its condition and that last stud is not coming out. I dont feel comfortable using only 4 bolts on a hotside. If this wasnt a key exhaust component, i wouldnt mind... however it is and i dont. To me its like not using the v band on the stock turbo to hotside connection, just using silicone and hoping for the best.

 

Well I did expect the 2 studs to be taken out, i wasnt told about them until after it was sent off. I had a buddy of mine take it off for me because I work most of the time and dont have alot of time to mess with my own car except for weekends or what not. He had it on the work bench so I geuss it was assumed that it was ready or what not to it had been packed and shipped. He asked me where it was 3 days later cause he needed to finish taking the studs out. WOOOH big Flag for me lol... so i told JCD the issue and id pay for the studs to be taken out. I didnt expect someone to *** it up with a torch. Should never have went to a welding shop should have went to a machine shop. but oh well if he wants to send it back thats fine. but he'll have to wait until i get payed so i can find another o2 housing im not buying a brand new one, im sorry I cannot take any more lose on this then i have already The thing was brand new with only 3k on it and i payed over 900$ for it and sold it for 650.... so im going to have to pay another 100-250 for a hotside so i spent over 1000$ on this thing just to lose out that much......... I'll see what i can do, but i just dont think its right that someone put a torch on it. i would not have done that at all. now its useless cause the torch probably fused it to the hotside itself.

 

honestly, the torch option is almost always the best method to getting out a stud... it saves you from cutting anything. You just heat it up and back the stud out. Ive seen that method used a dozen times and it always yields the desired result. In rare cases like this, the stud is simply stubborn and refuses to come out. At that point you are left with drilling. You drill it out, retap the hole and you are on your way... however, this thing is not drillable for whatever reason. Im not sure if this stud is made out of Titanium or Diamond, but jesus this thing will not cut. So last option is cut it out... tried that and it is not moving.

i understand what you are saying with losing money in the situation and i agree in that respect, it sucks. I suggest trying to find a hotside. I have personally sold 3 or 4 on this site for 125 each. So it should not be that difficult to come by one for a good price. Ultimately, it was your responisbility in the beginning because the item got shipped in a condition that needed repair or work done to make the end user able to use it. I realize its not your fault directly, but overall it is. I wouldnt even waste the money shipping the hotside back to you though, its useless. I am going to try one more attempt tonight when i get home to see if we can make this thing fly, but im already 95% sure its not gonna happen.

You 2 get together, and figure out a plan that both of you think is fair and move on with the situation.... in the end, you are not a bad seller just a sticky situation turned into a mess as they sometimes can. Seems like you are attempting or willing to do the class act thing and fix the situation. Whatever that ends up being is up to you guys...

Best of luck to both of you and i appreciate you taking my criticism and input in this situation as not being offensive. Its just the way it is, **** happens, now lets do what we need to to fix it.

 

well either A, he can use it, stick some RTV copper sealant on it too call it a day cause it will work cause it did with mine.

Or

B. Find a used one on here and ill pay for it to be sent to him. but im not paying alot for it this is rediculous that the fact that it can be used still but your basically telling me that you dont want to deal with it.