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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 07:42 PM
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My head is spinning faster than a turbo

I have been researching a lot about what turbo kit to get and it seems the more I look into it the more I get lost.

My Evo 9 is my DD, so reliability/longevity is important. I want to make this thing as fast as possible while keeping the following safe and not ruining the longevity of these parts (I dont want them going out on me prior to 100K miles):
Stock ACD
Stock MR tranny
93 octane (maybe meth/race fuel for the drag runs, but thats it)

I do not have plans to race it on the strip or a road course, I just like knowing the power is there if someone messes with me on my daily commute (My plate is V8 BAIT). Maybe I will take it to the drag strip 2-3 times over the course of its life and will not launch it hard while there. The majority of the beating on it will be from a roll so I would think that I would be able to handle more horsepower and still keep the acd and tranny safe.

Mods I have currently are (makes 340awhp):
Megan manifold, o2, dp, tp, greddy catback
Injen UICP, LICP, intake
Walbro FP
MBC at 21psi
Dyno tune

A big thing I need to know is what supporting mods will I need for an upgraded turbo? My research tells me the following (Let me know if I can omit or add anything):
272 Cams
Injectors
Headstuds
FMIC
?Do I need some sort of aftermarket ECU?

From what I have read, for Daily Driving and punching it from a roll, in order to keep the tranny and ACD safe I should keep the HP in the 450 awhp range can I go north of that? I would then have the option of running race gas at the drag strip with meth to bump the hp up about 80 awhp to maybe have a mid 10 second pass without launching the car.

All in all I want to max out this car to be able to drive it pretty hard on the street on 93 octane, but maintain the longevity of the ACD and Tranny. I dont want to have it looming in the back of my head everytime I step on it that the ACD or tranny might give out. I want to build it out and be able to maintain it well and not have to worry about my tranny or ACD giving out on me eventually.

Thank you very much for your help!
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 07:47 PM
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i have heard these issues also but I have seen others run 500+ and have no problems. I have 460 and I went through 12 spark plugs, two radiators, and the coil packs with only 36K.
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 07:50 PM
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build your head with 272s, the valvetrain, headstuds and the gasket. I would have at least 720cc injectors, and maybe the turbo xs or greddy intercooler. a reflash is fine but I personally like aftermarket due to the use and phenominal results of the aem.
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 07:52 PM
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BTW I made my numbers with the setup I gave you and the ATP 35r kit. I used meth and 93 pump but I only had an 8lb wastegate.
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 08:04 PM
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Why would you go through the radiators? I understand the plugs. Would I need to add coil packs to the supporting mods list?

So you are saying cams, springs, retianers, headstuds, gasket, 720 injectors, New FMIC and I can use the stock ECU.

I was hoping to make 450 awhp without meth and around 520awhp with meth/race gas.
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 08:04 PM
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NO YOU DON'T NEED CAMS. Cams aren't needed as much like on the 8's. They do help a little though. Second the 6 speed tranny is a weak link and if you drive it hard with too much power it will break. This is one of those things in our cars that is going to go.

In order to know what you are going to need for your turbo upgrade you are gonna have to give us an idea of what your goals are without saying you want power when needed. Saying you want to hunt V8's is very broad. Most V8's are 13-12 second cars where as bolt on Evo's can go 11's on pump. A lot more in your stocker than you know. Instead of asking what do you need for a turbo upgrade you should ask what you need prior to a turbo upgrade.
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 08:15 PM
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RevMoto is right about the cams because of MIVEC but the most I have seen on evo 9 DDs with the stock head was 390 with meth. I do wonder what is the most basic setup anyone has seen that ran 11.9999 or faster? I had tbe, ebc, with the stock turbo and ran 12.9000 consistantly til I burnt the clutch.

PS- you don't need coil packs for a mod unless you are doing some serious racing i.e. 800whp plus and trying to run sub 10s
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 08:19 PM
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I am pretty similar to you in hp and mods Revmoto. I should be in the high 11's as is. My goals dont have a time mark or a hp mark. I want to have the most hp I can but still keep the stock acd and 6 speed safe considering I dont road race the car ever, take it to the drag strip rarely and just want to be able to beat on anything that messes with me commuting.
Most V8's are 12-13 second cars, however turbo lag hurts us from a roll.
Most Cobras are at least pullied putting them in the mid 11's easily. Many v8's now days hit the mid 11's with minor mods ($3-4K). Combine that with my turbo lag (without brake boosting) from a roll and my V8 BAIT can become an embarrasment
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by PHIL_N_THE_EVO
RevMoto is right about the cams because of MIVEC but the most I have seen on evo 9 DDs with the stock head was 390 with meth. I do wonder what is the most basic setup anyone has seen that ran 11.9999 or faster? I had tbe, ebc, with the stock turbo and ran 12.9000 consistantly til I burnt the clutch.

PS- you don't need coil packs for a mod unless you are doing some serious racing i.e. 800whp plus and trying to run sub 10s
Look at my sig. I am not even on meth. Also stock turbo and meth can see 450whp.
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by EgoBstr
I am pretty similar to you in hp and mods Revmoto. I should be in the high 11's as is. My goals dont have a time mark or a hp mark. I want to have the most hp I can but still keep the stock acd and 6 speed safe considering I dont road race the car ever, take it to the drag strip rarely and just want to be able to beat on anything that messes with me commuting.
Most V8's are 12-13 second cars, however turbo lag hurts us from a roll.
Most Cobras are at least pullied putting them in the mid 11's easily. Many v8's now days hit the mid 11's with minor mods ($3-4K). Combine that with my turbo lag (without brake boosting) from a roll and my V8 BAIT can become an embarrasment
What turbo lag? You are on stock turbo. What rpm are you roll racing on? If you are complaining about turbo lag now then the only turbo upgrade I would recommend is a green. Most V8's can't touch me. I am only on pump.

Also you say you don't want to break your tranny then don't track it or launch it. Saying you won't launch it at the track negates the purpose for going. If you are just looking to beat cars on the road then stock turbo is all you want. I have yet to get beaten and pulled on a sprayed GT and beat vette's. Get a FMIC, Cossies and meth. Then you are done.
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 08:28 PM
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I am looking at this as anything outside of the turbo kit as a supporting mod. This is where we stand:
Needed: FMIC, springs, retianers, headstuds, gasket, injectors, turbo kit

Not Needed: Cams, ECU, coil packs.

At what power level does the 6 speed start to falter? 30-40 awhp under this is the power level I am looking for.
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RevMoto
Look at my sig. I am not even on meth. Also stock turbo and meth can see 450whp.
I guess I could have done that. He is right about the V8's these days. I know at least 4 mustang gt not cobras that run 11.5 or better with less mods and money spent.
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 08:33 PM
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From a 45 mph roll a high 11 naturally aspirated car will pull on us 5-6 cars pronto from the go signal, but then we will hang with them but cant catch up. Come over to Tampa, there are plenty of these cars around
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 08:35 PM
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Anyway, back on track, does anyone know the power level I can go to safely on 93 octane and keep the ACD and 6 speed pretty safe?
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Old Mar 12, 2008 | 08:49 PM
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Looking at Rev's set up it looks like 400whp is just fine. A 3076 turbo is as high as you want to go as far as road racing. It spools about 300 rpms slower than stock and you can get your 22psi out of it with better cfm on 93.
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