The quest for for the pump gas record
DTM FTW. 
That's a hell of a tune Nick!
Good luck tomorrow
The current pump gas record is 788 whp, Al's on a Dynojet.
Peter's car made 58- on our dyno (can't remember exactly).
The Mustang Dyno has a TON of parameters that can be changed to read higher HP numbers. Nick pointed these out to me when he first had the dyno and we spoke about them. His settings were different than mine at the time. Please don't tell these guys there are no "correction factors" on a Mustand Dyno.
Nice curve, power looks good. If we are comparing Mustang Dyno numbers though it is going to have to be done on the same dyno for someone to claim THE record. Too many ways to manipulate the dyno. Ours is set up exactly how Mustand Dyno set it up, no changes to any settings what-so-ever. I've also had the head tech out here to go back over the calibrations to make sure nothing has changed over the years and thousands of dyno runs.
As a side note, I am not actually accusing anyone of anything. I am simply stating Mustang Dyno's are easily manipulated and unless the runs are on the same machine.......................
Peter's car made 58- on our dyno (can't remember exactly).
The Mustang Dyno has a TON of parameters that can be changed to read higher HP numbers. Nick pointed these out to me when he first had the dyno and we spoke about them. His settings were different than mine at the time. Please don't tell these guys there are no "correction factors" on a Mustand Dyno.
Nice curve, power looks good. If we are comparing Mustang Dyno numbers though it is going to have to be done on the same dyno for someone to claim THE record. Too many ways to manipulate the dyno. Ours is set up exactly how Mustand Dyno set it up, no changes to any settings what-so-ever. I've also had the head tech out here to go back over the calibrations to make sure nothing has changed over the years and thousands of dyno runs.
As a side note, I am not actually accusing anyone of anything. I am simply stating Mustang Dyno's are easily manipulated and unless the runs are on the same machine.......................
The current pump gas record is 788 whp, Al's on a Dynojet.
Peter's car made 58- on our dyno (can't remember exactly).
The Mustang Dyno has a TON of parameters that can be changed to read higher HP numbers. Nick pointed these out to me when he first had the dyno and we spoke about them. His settings were different than mine at the time. Please don't tell these guys there are no "correction factors" on a Mustand Dyno.
Nice curve, power looks good. If we are comparing Mustang Dyno numbers though it is going to have to be done on the same dyno for someone to claim THE record. Too many ways to manipulate the dyno. Ours is set up exactly how Mustand Dyno set it up, no changes to any settings what-so-ever. I've also had the head tech out here to go back over the calibrations to make sure nothing has changed over the years and thousands of dyno runs.
As a side note, I am not actually accusing anyone of anything. I am simply stating Mustang Dyno's are easily manipulated and unless the runs are on the same machine.......................
Peter's car made 58- on our dyno (can't remember exactly).
The Mustang Dyno has a TON of parameters that can be changed to read higher HP numbers. Nick pointed these out to me when he first had the dyno and we spoke about them. His settings were different than mine at the time. Please don't tell these guys there are no "correction factors" on a Mustand Dyno.
Nice curve, power looks good. If we are comparing Mustang Dyno numbers though it is going to have to be done on the same dyno for someone to claim THE record. Too many ways to manipulate the dyno. Ours is set up exactly how Mustand Dyno set it up, no changes to any settings what-so-ever. I've also had the head tech out here to go back over the calibrations to make sure nothing has changed over the years and thousands of dyno runs.
As a side note, I am not actually accusing anyone of anything. I am simply stating Mustang Dyno's are easily manipulated and unless the runs are on the same machine.......................
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Hi David, I was wondering when you would pop your nose in this thread. There are a couple of points I would like to make in regards to your points. I'll leave the more technical stuff to Nick as in truth he is more versed than I, but I think that I also have a fairly good grasp of the tech. After all, I've been around since before Mid Ohio last year so even though I have a low post count, I'm not a newb.
Al's 788whp run was a glory run in a car that spends it's life on the track. The numbers we posted today are in a street driven car. It's pretty much full weight and it still has the A/C in it. Heck, the owner is even talking about putting electric window regulators into his RS! We both know the difference in how dynojets read compared to Mustangs so lets try comparing apples to apples shall we? We aren't shooting for a single high reading dyno run to set a record. We are shooting for a reliable and repeatable number that can be made over and over again and last all season long. After all, I'm pretty sure our client wouldn't like it if we risked his investment just so we could claim to have made the most whp on pump gas at his expense. If his car does happen to break any records, outstanding. If not, he will still have fun taking the car to the track on the weekends and backing up his whp numbers with times and trap speeds while we had a blast building his car.
In regards to correction factors on a Mustang dyno... Well there are none that you can adjust. You can adjust modifiers. Can you skew results? Sure, there are settings that you can adjust that will alter how the dyno reads. Perhaps we are arguing over semantics as terminology can quite easily be mixed up, but I'm pretty sure Nick's comment was in regards to SAE corrections. I'm sure that when the Mustang tech came to help you setup your dyno he showed you how to make your Mustang dyno read like a dynojet. I think it's even in the book isn't it? What annoys me about your post is even though you have a caveat stating that you aren't accusing anyone of anything... Just mentioning it in our thread is basically accusing us. To the best of my memory, which doesn't fail like others I know, no one from our shop has ever made similar statements in any of your threads so I'm at a loss as to why you would do so in ours unless you were looking to discredit us or felt threatened.
The other point I find suspect in your post is that you state that in order for a pump gas record to be valid it would have to be done on the same dyno. The same dyno as whose? Yours? Does this mean that your dyno has now become the defacto standard for what all EVOs should be compared against? Doesn't that invalidate Al's 788whp glory run since it was obviously done not only on a different dyno, but a completely different manufacturer's dyno? If you think our dyno reads higher than yours, you are always welcome to bring one of your pump gas record holding EVOs down so that it can set a new record on our dyno. I'm sure we could extend that courtesy to you free of charge.
Ah but wait, Peter sold his car didn't he? Perhaps you can contact the new owner and see if he would like to bring the car down for some free dyno runs and the opportunity for an even higher pump gas record?
Hopefully most of those who read this thread understand that dyno numbers are only a reference point. Obviously there are thousands of dyno machines in the country. It would be impossible to make everyone who thinks they have the baddest EVO dyno on the same machine so that we could know without a doubt who had the most powerful car on pump gas. Stating that it must be done on the same dyno is ludicrous as reality dictates that it is impossible. In the end, what counts is track times. It is the ONLY TRUE measure of how fast a car really is. Unfortunately for the majority of tuners, most individuals are caught up in dyno numbers and not what is really important. No one is God other than God himself. Therefore no dyno reigns supreme over any other dyno. They are simply tools with the capability of being a double edged sword as those who use them can try to inflect their own desires upon said tool. Humans are fallible and driven by personal motivations. Tis a shame we can't be more impartial like the tools we use.
Sorry for the rather long pontification, but I felt like waxing eloquently.
Al's 788whp run was a glory run in a car that spends it's life on the track. The numbers we posted today are in a street driven car. It's pretty much full weight and it still has the A/C in it. Heck, the owner is even talking about putting electric window regulators into his RS! We both know the difference in how dynojets read compared to Mustangs so lets try comparing apples to apples shall we? We aren't shooting for a single high reading dyno run to set a record. We are shooting for a reliable and repeatable number that can be made over and over again and last all season long. After all, I'm pretty sure our client wouldn't like it if we risked his investment just so we could claim to have made the most whp on pump gas at his expense. If his car does happen to break any records, outstanding. If not, he will still have fun taking the car to the track on the weekends and backing up his whp numbers with times and trap speeds while we had a blast building his car.
In regards to correction factors on a Mustang dyno... Well there are none that you can adjust. You can adjust modifiers. Can you skew results? Sure, there are settings that you can adjust that will alter how the dyno reads. Perhaps we are arguing over semantics as terminology can quite easily be mixed up, but I'm pretty sure Nick's comment was in regards to SAE corrections. I'm sure that when the Mustang tech came to help you setup your dyno he showed you how to make your Mustang dyno read like a dynojet. I think it's even in the book isn't it? What annoys me about your post is even though you have a caveat stating that you aren't accusing anyone of anything... Just mentioning it in our thread is basically accusing us. To the best of my memory, which doesn't fail like others I know, no one from our shop has ever made similar statements in any of your threads so I'm at a loss as to why you would do so in ours unless you were looking to discredit us or felt threatened.
The other point I find suspect in your post is that you state that in order for a pump gas record to be valid it would have to be done on the same dyno. The same dyno as whose? Yours? Does this mean that your dyno has now become the defacto standard for what all EVOs should be compared against? Doesn't that invalidate Al's 788whp glory run since it was obviously done not only on a different dyno, but a completely different manufacturer's dyno? If you think our dyno reads higher than yours, you are always welcome to bring one of your pump gas record holding EVOs down so that it can set a new record on our dyno. I'm sure we could extend that courtesy to you free of charge.
Ah but wait, Peter sold his car didn't he? Perhaps you can contact the new owner and see if he would like to bring the car down for some free dyno runs and the opportunity for an even higher pump gas record?Hopefully most of those who read this thread understand that dyno numbers are only a reference point. Obviously there are thousands of dyno machines in the country. It would be impossible to make everyone who thinks they have the baddest EVO dyno on the same machine so that we could know without a doubt who had the most powerful car on pump gas. Stating that it must be done on the same dyno is ludicrous as reality dictates that it is impossible. In the end, what counts is track times. It is the ONLY TRUE measure of how fast a car really is. Unfortunately for the majority of tuners, most individuals are caught up in dyno numbers and not what is really important. No one is God other than God himself. Therefore no dyno reigns supreme over any other dyno. They are simply tools with the capability of being a double edged sword as those who use them can try to inflect their own desires upon said tool. Humans are fallible and driven by personal motivations. Tis a shame we can't be more impartial like the tools we use.
Sorry for the rather long pontification, but I felt like waxing eloquently.
The current pump gas record is 788 whp, Al's on a Dynojet.
Peter's car made 58- on our dyno (can't remember exactly).
The Mustang Dyno has a TON of parameters that can be changed to read higher HP numbers. Nick pointed these out to me when he first had the dyno and we spoke about them. His settings were different than mine at the time. Please don't tell these guys there are no "correction factors" on a Mustand Dyno.
Nice curve, power looks good. If we are comparing Mustang Dyno numbers though it is going to have to be done on the same dyno for someone to claim THE record. Too many ways to manipulate the dyno. Ours is set up exactly how Mustand Dyno set it up, no changes to any settings what-so-ever. I've also had the head tech out here to go back over the calibrations to make sure nothing has changed over the years and thousands of dyno runs.
As a side note, I am not actually accusing anyone of anything. I am simply stating Mustang Dyno's are easily manipulated and unless the runs are on the same machine.......................
Peter's car made 58- on our dyno (can't remember exactly).
The Mustang Dyno has a TON of parameters that can be changed to read higher HP numbers. Nick pointed these out to me when he first had the dyno and we spoke about them. His settings were different than mine at the time. Please don't tell these guys there are no "correction factors" on a Mustand Dyno.
Nice curve, power looks good. If we are comparing Mustang Dyno numbers though it is going to have to be done on the same dyno for someone to claim THE record. Too many ways to manipulate the dyno. Ours is set up exactly how Mustand Dyno set it up, no changes to any settings what-so-ever. I've also had the head tech out here to go back over the calibrations to make sure nothing has changed over the years and thousands of dyno runs.
As a side note, I am not actually accusing anyone of anything. I am simply stating Mustang Dyno's are easily manipulated and unless the runs are on the same machine.......................