you just got nuts on Dave for no reason. He is just saying that no dyno is setup exactly the same. To have a fair comparo as to who might have the highest HP it should be done on the same dyno no matter who's dyno. When he who has the record is challenged then it is an invitation to stick their nose in....

 

worth noting that Mosses Evo on here had a engine make over 830bhp i think on pump fuel. it was a Norris designs built 2.3 with a GT42RS!

its the same engine that made over 1000bhp on their dyno.

Cheers

Chris.

 

Very nice #s You guys are getting me all excited with these pump gas #s. I wonder what my setup would do on pump gas?

 

David, the setting on your dyno have not stayed constant since you got it. I've been on this board since you got the Mustang dyno and I know that your dyno definitely reads higher than the first year you had it. I specifically you acknowledging that at one point. For example, your RS went 124 mph in the 1/4 on 328 whp with an early iteration of the 20G turbo. No way would a car putting that number down on your dyno now pull that trap speed. Adjustments were made since you had it installed, so I'm not sure what you mean by it being "exactly how Mustang Dyno set it up," unless you are saying that a MD tech changed it after you had installed it and started using it. And if the MD factory sets it one way and certain traveling techs set it another way, then that opens up a whole other can of worms.

I'm not suggesting that you manipulated your dyno to enhance results, but rather questioning that your dyno is somehow more of a Gold Standard than any other Mustang dyno.

 

That's funny as ****

 

U2SLO was 58X on Buschur and 620 on Dynojet.

That is not that low reading is it?

From an outside observer, what I find annoying is, the sheets from Mustang don't show what settings the dyno was using. If you look at all the dyno sheets of Dyno Dynamics in the UK, everyone is in Shootout 44 mode and you see all the parameters of the run. Intake temps, tire pressure, etc.

 

Dam very nice on Pump looks like everyone is jumping on this, I hope I dont get left behind with all those pump gas numbers

 

Ya know... This could turn into a silly pissing match real easy.

I think David has more things in his life to worry about than Nick/DTM making good numbers. There is zero question that Buschur Racing makes crazy f'ing power and does it over an over again without scattering parts to the 4 winds and without spending huge sums of money over and over. Going to his shop is an investment in performance.

With that said numbers in numbers. Nick is putting out some good power numbers and is doing some things unlike some others at this point in time. I think there is without question reward to those who dare think about things in slightly different ways and as a result the community as a whole is better off.

So who has the record? Seems as if Al does. Big deal. Numbers are numbers and in my mind they are ok to give one an idea of a cars performance but are not always a true indication of real world performance. For that reason I am happy to see dyno numbers but they are rarely apples to apples and more likely misleading.

I also agree with David when he says if one were to really go for a record or to even have a good idea of how close one car is to another you have to remove variables.

As I was just on the dyno at DTM I could pretty easily roll up to Buschurs and see just how close my numbers are there to my numbers for Nick. At the very least it may give one a slightly better idea if how close the numbers are.

Oh, and if anyone in Ohio is ticked off... it's me as I don't care to see animosity drug out between folks I respect.

 

I think the most impressive was the Bad Bish on HTA35 made over 600 on pump!

Not to talk about how much that little turbo made on VP import

Blew my 37r out of the water

 

best of luck. Joe (owner of the car) is very good people. I know he'll have a blast.

 

Okay Nick, when do we start working on my MR?

Do I need one of those dual fuel pump thingies? If so, just make sure that mine's not "rainbow" in nature...I'd like mine in black!!!

Good luck with your car Joe!!!

 

Don't get me started on you and waxing things bro!

Instead of simply saying "good job", Buschur did imply the dyno numbers might be tampered with. Of course, I'd expect you to say that he's jumping on Dave for no reason, because your signature says "Built with Buschur parts - it's fast!". Impartial much?

I did a dyno run at 330/300 on DTM's dyno a couple months back in a mildly weight-reduced evo (mini battery, stripped trunk, fmic sprayer removal, but full interior). I plan on running the big 1320 after I get some tuning done running some 1/8s. Oh yeah, and I have a first-gen 20g (6 blade). It'll be interesting to see what I trap. A 124 would be sweet!

I agree with the whole concept of a dyno record isn't a record unless all the cars are done on the same dyno. Heck, a guy at AMS MD did a dyno run that was over 1,000whp ... and after they fixed the dyno calibrations or whatever, he was under half of that.

Nick, hella good job on things so far. Can't wait to see it at FULL POWAH!!

 

Somehow I think you'll be fine....lol

 

Thanks Marti. Hope to see you tomorrow.

If the weather will hold out just a little, I'll have some track #'s tonight.

 

let's get some legit pump gas et's...

all the master tuners should have a shoot out bring your pump gas beasts...have an outside source bring fuel and have it.

we'll weigh the cars etc.

dyno graphs mean crap...show the tunes and the knock counts..etc.

ahh who cares anyways..