Big cams little Turbo
I know, I am still happy w/ my #'s for now on the boost i had. The Buddy clubs I have are spec'ed exactly like HKS's which dont have a ton of lift, compared to cosi m3's and s2's. It will do much better when I can wrap her out to 8k w/ the smim.
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Tom, I assuming this was on Tony's car? Or were those the HKS VIII cams on something else?
Still 21whp is not a loss and awesome especially when you take into account thats a Mustang number. Obviously the ones I posted are Dynojet numbers but still and increase is an increase.
Still 21whp is not a loss and awesome especially when you take into account thats a Mustang number. Obviously the ones I posted are Dynojet numbers but still and increase is an increase.
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That is really where we were seeing the most average gains with bigger cams was 6750 or so on up. Stock cams die off really fast, but the cars with big cams can hold the power alot longer with minimal loss. Once we get SMIM on our cars (well and I dyno my current setup first) I am thinking Lucas and I will see even more pronounced gains.
Wshihdnevo (Ramses) is also throwing a SMIM on so there will be multiple samples to choose from.
Well it works on Jake Motgomery's Talon before... He was using FP4R when he ran 9's
Here is his previous run https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ake+montgomery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHBfP7aDnco
Here is his previous run https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ake+montgomery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHBfP7aDnco
What is the setup on the second dyno graph?
If that is a stock turbo there is obviously a downside to the gain up top with a torque peak of a measly 320ft/lbs at 4250rpm. That would be pretty late spool for a stock turbo.
A lot of lift is a good thing, but cams dictate an engines power curve and unless you have variable valve timing of some sort you either are tuning the cam for low end power, high end power, or somewhere in the middle. The more radical of a cam the more you are essentially shifting the curve to the right.
If that is a stock turbo there is obviously a downside to the gain up top with a torque peak of a measly 320ft/lbs at 4250rpm. That would be pretty late spool for a stock turbo.
A lot of lift is a good thing, but cams dictate an engines power curve and unless you have variable valve timing of some sort you either are tuning the cam for low end power, high end power, or somewhere in the middle. The more radical of a cam the more you are essentially shifting the curve to the right.
I keep telling people i think the S2s are an excellent upgrade on the stocker. im running them on my 9 turbo with 100%meth inject and it pulls way harder. on my pump gas tune my car feels way stronger than my 50/50 tune with more timing
i remember those M3s when chris first got them, they idoled rough as sin. i helped out a lil and hope i didnt screw anything up too much JB, im no master tuner. i just used the experience from my M2s to help it be more civil
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What is the setup on the second dyno graph?
If that is a stock turbo there is obviously a downside to the gain up top with a torque peak of a measly 320ft/lbs at 4250rpm. That would be pretty late spool for a stock turbo.
A lot of lift is a good thing, but cams dictate an engines power curve and unless you have variable valve timing of some sort you either are tuning the cam for low end power, high end power, or somewhere in the middle. The more radical of a cam the more you are essentially shifting the curve to the right.
If that is a stock turbo there is obviously a downside to the gain up top with a torque peak of a measly 320ft/lbs at 4250rpm. That would be pretty late spool for a stock turbo.
A lot of lift is a good thing, but cams dictate an engines power curve and unless you have variable valve timing of some sort you either are tuning the cam for low end power, high end power, or somewhere in the middle. The more radical of a cam the more you are essentially shifting the curve to the right.
It does hold that torque for 1800 rpm though. We could have ran some more timing and got the torque up I spose, but we prefer a little more civil timing and more boost than the other way around. Especially since anything is possible and you could end up with a big boost spike.
They idled great actually when it came in. We smoothed it out some with software and harware as well.
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