Question for David Buschur - missing power on pump gas "baby Bish"
You should really consider just enjoying ur cars. I always read on 6speed about the builder of ur porsche complaining bc you have unrealistic expectations.
Al- this seems really unprofessional. If ur customer has unrealistic expectations then u tell him what u can offer and if hges not impressed u part ways. Making a thread to ask the "Master" is stupid.
Last edited by keevo54; May 16, 2008 at 09:37 AM.
IF YOU WANT BUSCHUR NUMBERS, THEN SEND IT TO BUSCHUR. Its that simple.
NUMBER 1- i AM THE STUBBORN CUSTOMER.
NUMBER 2- i WONT WAIT 4 WEEKS FOR SHEARER FAB TO MAKE BUSCHUR A MANIFOLD TO RESELL.
NUMBER 3- THE NUMBERS i AM COMPARING TO ARE SWITZER'S STRAIGHT GT35R TURBO WITH MILD HEADWORK MAKING 627AWHP ON A DYNOJET ON STRIAHGT PUMP GAS NO METHANOL
NUMBER 4- I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO EXPECT 620AWHP PLUS WITH A DYNOJET WITH MY SET BARE IN MIND i RUN A DOUBLE NOZZLE METHANOL SHOT.
NUMBER 5- I DO NOT HAVE AN HTA TURBO AND DONT PLAN ON HAVING ONE EVER
NUMBER 6- IF I WANTED A BUSCHUR CAR I WOULD HAVE SENT IT TO BUSCHUR
NUMBER 7- IF THIS CAR DOESNT MAKE 620AWHP ON PUMP/METH BY THIS EVENING IM SENDING IT TO SWITZER.
NUMBER 8- IF ANYONE WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT MY WHOLE ORDEAL PLEASE FEEL FREE TO PM ME AND I WILL TELL YOU ALL THE WHOLE STORY
NUMBER 9- ILL BE ON A MUSTANG DYNO TOMM MORNING TO MAKE SURE THE POWER IS REAL AND NOT TURNED DOWN TWO MINUTES AFTER BEING ON THE DYNO LIKE EVERY OTHER TUNE
SUMAN
NUMBER 1- i AM THE STUBBORN CUSTOMER.
NUMBER 2- i WONT WAIT 4 WEEKS FOR SHEARER FAB TO MAKE BUSCHUR A MANIFOLD TO RESELL.
NUMBER 3- THE NUMBERS i AM COMPARING TO ARE SWITZER'S STRAIGHT GT35R TURBO WITH MILD HEADWORK MAKING 627AWHP ON A DYNOJET ON STRIAHGT PUMP GAS NO METHANOL
NUMBER 4- I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO EXPECT 620AWHP PLUS WITH A DYNOJET WITH MY SET BARE IN MIND i RUN A DOUBLE NOZZLE METHANOL SHOT.
NUMBER 5- I DO NOT HAVE AN HTA TURBO AND DONT PLAN ON HAVING ONE EVER
NUMBER 6- IF I WANTED A BUSCHUR CAR I WOULD HAVE SENT IT TO BUSCHUR
NUMBER 7- IF THIS CAR DOESNT MAKE 620AWHP ON PUMP/METH BY THIS EVENING IM SENDING IT TO SWITZER.
NUMBER 8- IF ANYONE WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT MY WHOLE ORDEAL PLEASE FEEL FREE TO PM ME AND I WILL TELL YOU ALL THE WHOLE STORY
NUMBER 9- ILL BE ON A MUSTANG DYNO TOMM MORNING TO MAKE SURE THE POWER IS REAL AND NOT TURNED DOWN TWO MINUTES AFTER BEING ON THE DYNO LIKE EVERY OTHER TUNE
SUMAN
What is an average HP number for pump gas? Has to be 500-550 or so. I would expect to see these numbers from the mods on the "customer" car, without meth.
I tend to predict a bit low though as I have not seen many 35r Evos in person. I only read about them here.
I tend to predict a bit low though as I have not seen many 35r Evos in person. I only read about them here.
NUMBER 1- i AM THE STUBBORN CUSTOMER.
NUMBER 2- i WONT WAIT 4 WEEKS FOR SHEARER FAB TO MAKE BUSCHUR A MANIFOLD TO RESELL.
NUMBER 3- THE NUMBERS i AM COMPARING TO ARE SWITZER'S STRAIGHT GT35R TURBO WITH MILD HEADWORK MAKING 627AWHP ON A DYNOJET ON STRIAHGT PUMP GAS NO METHANOL
NUMBER 4- I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO EXPECT 620AWHP PLUS WITH A DYNOJET WITH MY SET BARE IN MIND i RUN A DOUBLE NOZZLE METHANOL SHOT.
NUMBER 5- I DO NOT HAVE AN HTA TURBO AND DONT PLAN ON HAVING ONE EVER
NUMBER 6- IF I WANTED A BUSCHUR CAR I WOULD HAVE SENT IT TO BUSCHUR
NUMBER 7- IF THIS CAR DOESNT MAKE 620AWHP ON PUMP/METH BY THIS EVENING IM SENDING IT TO SWITZER.
NUMBER 8- IF ANYONE WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT MY WHOLE ORDEAL PLEASE FEEL FREE TO PM ME AND I WILL TELL YOU ALL THE WHOLE STORY
NUMBER 9- ILL BE ON A MUSTANG DYNO TOMM MORNING TO MAKE SURE THE POWER IS REAL AND NOT TURNED DOWN TWO MINUTES AFTER BEING ON THE DYNO LIKE EVERY OTHER TUNE
SUMAN
You all are shot! I said I dont want to be bad bsh or I would sent it to buschur. Im realistically trying to make numbers that are easily achievable. Have you been on ICS's dynojet. Pete made 620 on this dyno and thats 587 on buschurs dyno. You think me wanting 587 on pump/double nozzle meth is out of wack? your all on drugs
It's not clear after reading number 4 in highhats' post if he is looking for 620 on pump or pump+meth. If just pump, then I don't think there's a chance. If it's on pump+meth then it may be able to get close.
-Paul
-Paul
Scorke, come now, he was asking the questions retorically. You didn't realize Al had already made these points to the customer, and the customer isn't listening? 
That's the whole point of the thread. You answering some of the main issues is exactly what Al is trying to induce so that maybe the "stubborn customer" will take heed.
That's the whole point of the thread. You answering some of the main issues is exactly what Al is trying to induce so that maybe the "stubborn customer" will take heed.DB knows what he is doing, makes good parts, tunes with the best of them, can build a car to do whatever he wants it to, AL cannot. The way in which Al is constantly suckling on DB's ***** pisses me off to no ends, I respect David Buschur tremendously as he does so much for our community.
We all know Buschur knows what he is doing, Al doesn't need to make these threads.
Scorke
David, I have a very subborn customer who likes to do a lot of his own parts selection and feels that he should be making nearly the same power as the Bad Bish (30 psi on pump gas 620 whp - dyno jet)
My problem is that I am having a hard time to convince him that the proper selection of parts is very important to get a great VE on a motor and maximize pump gas potential.
Please if you can review his set up as compared to the BAD BISH and tell me how you feel his parts selections will vary from those of the Bad Bish in making power
Stubborn Customer - - - - Bad Bish
Stock Evo Head - - - - BR ported head
Stock valves - - - - BR Valves
Stock Crank - - - - BR balanced crank
Wesico off the shelf pistons - - - - BR Custom JE pistons
Full Race copy - - - - BR Tubular header
custom manifold with .62 turbine housing - - - - BR turbo kit
on Gt35 R - - - - HTA GT35R
BR Delux FMIC - - - - BR RACE FMIC
Cosworth mivec cams - - - - BR race cams
HKS TWIN FIRE on - - -
stock coils - - - - BR COP
Please give me your thoughts about how the customer's selected parts will inpact his ability to make pump gas power.
The customer does also have a meth injection kit - Aquamist HFS 1 - and is running a bit over 36 psi of boost now but the results are less than satisfactory from his perspective
Without disclosing what the numbers show - how do you think his set up at 26 psi with pump and meth compares to the BAD BISH at 30 psi with straight pump.
The customer is dissapointed as he "expects" to be making "at least" the same power as the BAD BISH - "if not more" and I have tried to explain to him why designing the set up is crucial for maximizing the potential of a engine / turbo combination.
Thanks
Al
My problem is that I am having a hard time to convince him that the proper selection of parts is very important to get a great VE on a motor and maximize pump gas potential.
Please if you can review his set up as compared to the BAD BISH and tell me how you feel his parts selections will vary from those of the Bad Bish in making power
Stubborn Customer - - - - Bad Bish
Stock Evo Head - - - - BR ported head
Stock valves - - - - BR Valves
Stock Crank - - - - BR balanced crank
Wesico off the shelf pistons - - - - BR Custom JE pistons
Full Race copy - - - - BR Tubular header
custom manifold with .62 turbine housing - - - - BR turbo kit
on Gt35 R - - - - HTA GT35R
BR Delux FMIC - - - - BR RACE FMIC
Cosworth mivec cams - - - - BR race cams
HKS TWIN FIRE on - - -
stock coils - - - - BR COP
Please give me your thoughts about how the customer's selected parts will inpact his ability to make pump gas power.
The customer does also have a meth injection kit - Aquamist HFS 1 - and is running a bit over 36 psi of boost now but the results are less than satisfactory from his perspective
Without disclosing what the numbers show - how do you think his set up at 26 psi with pump and meth compares to the BAD BISH at 30 psi with straight pump.
The customer is dissapointed as he "expects" to be making "at least" the same power as the BAD BISH - "if not more" and I have tried to explain to him why designing the set up is crucial for maximizing the potential of a engine / turbo combination.
Thanks
Al
What power numbers is the "customer" making?
Ported head + larger turbine housing will NET large gains.
Also what does the tune look like?
Anyone can make a ultra high dyno pull. Now does the car drive around at 600whp+ on pump gas is the question.
Ported head + larger turbine housing will NET large gains.
Also what does the tune look like?
Anyone can make a ultra high dyno pull. Now does the car drive around at 600whp+ on pump gas is the question.
That's not tending to predict low - that's a very HIGH prediction for pump gas 35Rs. Most make ~450whp on pump gas and 23-25psi. It wasn't until recently that we started seeing Buschur (and others) make big time power on 35Rs and pump gas, but those are cars that are inredibly well-modded. They aren't running around on stock parts - they have very well-built and well-combined mods. A regular stock motor 35R will usually do 450-ish WHP on pump gas and normal psi (23-25).