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Old May 22, 2008 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SBR INC
Its closer to a 40R

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im going to make some whp wtq questimates

723whp
587 tq all done at at or under 30psi

thats what im saying
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Old May 22, 2008 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by deadbeatrec
im going to make some whp wtq questimates

723whp
587 tq all done at at or under 30psi

thats what im saying

I would like to hope so, but I feel you may be a bit high on your estimates. Remember, this is a pump gas/meth injection car. I think 30psi might be a stretch.


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Old May 22, 2008 | 11:58 AM
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Dyno Graphs!


The moment you have all been waiting for



Stock Turbo @ 15psi








50 Trim @ 17psi




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Old May 22, 2008 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SBR INC
I would like to hope so, but I feel you may be a bit high on your estimates. Remember, this is a pump gas/meth injection car. I think 30psi might be a stretch.


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im hitting 29psi with 93 and 100% meth. no knock.

go big or go home!
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Old May 22, 2008 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by deadbeatrec
im hitting 29psi with 93 and 100% meth. no knock.

go big or go home!

What compression ratio are you running?

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Old May 22, 2008 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by deadbeatrec
im hitting 29psi with 93 and 100% meth. no knock.

go big or go home!
HAHA - trust me - we will turn it up... not scared....

We will make it or break it - but you guys will be the first to know....

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Old May 22, 2008 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by slowTsi
While your enthusiasm is refreshing, I assure you the diffence form this 2.5l versus a 2.4l does not justify the cost of a Billett crank. If you really wanted a low end monster and were paying for a billett crank, just get a larger stroke. Even the 100mm crank limites redline a decent amount.
Where is your data to back up this statement?

I can tell you from experience - the 2.5l (102 mm stroke) makes about 5-7% more TQ to the wheels than a 2.4l (100 mm stroke).

If you have a beer budget - you cannot afford to drink wine - a nice billet crankshaft is like a glass of 2004 Miner Family Cabernet Sauvignon from the great wine making state of Ca.

Some people do not mind paying $1,200.00 - $2,500.00 for a billet crankshaft to make 5-7% more TQ - .

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Old May 22, 2008 | 02:11 PM
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My post -

Originally Posted by SBR INC
The guys have specific instructions.... I want to know EXACTLY what they will hold in this set up!

Yes, in case you do not know my sick mind, we will be blowing this motor up some time in the near future for the sake of science... Remember - with the RR (rod ratio) being a bit different - a 2.0l IMO the Eagles will hold up to more abuse... this will be a great test however!

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Originally Posted by slowTsi
Lower revs are only easier on the rods when speaking of the same stroke. The rods of this motor at 8k are seeing more stress than a 88mm motor at 8k, as the piston speeds are much higher.
You basically repeated what I said - however:

I never mentioned "lower revs" or "same stroke".

And we agree - the difference is the RR - so yes the 2.5l with the same length rod is at a disadvantage to a 2.0l, the same H beams in a 2.0l in theory will indeed hold more HP.

Are we on the same page or did I miss something?

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Old May 22, 2008 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by slowTsi
The rod ratio is WORSE than a 2.0s rr, as it has the same size rods and more stroke
1.47 for this 2.5l motor vs. 1.7 for a 2.0.
Hence why "strokers" have limitations in the high RPM range... - I guess we are on the same page!

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Old May 22, 2008 | 03:17 PM
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2.5l Torque!!

These numbers are with a GT28RS with a 34mm restrictor in the turbo in our rally car

Torque





Boost




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Old May 22, 2008 | 05:33 PM
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^nice.
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Old May 22, 2008 | 06:05 PM
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Man, the 28 makes crazy torque. Especially when you factor in a restrictor that is less than 1.5 inches. Is the restrictor on the intake?
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Old May 22, 2008 | 06:16 PM
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so you made ~500wtq @ only 23.3 psi with that GT28RS? Damn, I would love to see the torque with some higher boost on pump/meth...


This is probably a LOT more fun to drive on the street than a big turbo Evo...


How do you think the stocker 16g would have done (torque-wise) at that boost level (23psi)?


on the 2.5L testing! Keep it coming!
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Old May 22, 2008 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by robertrinaustin
Man, the 28 makes crazy torque. Especially when you factor in a restrictor that is less than 1.5 inches.

Is it possible that the restrictor could be helping to increase/spike low-end torque here, at the expense of top-end torque and whp?
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Old May 22, 2008 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by robertrinaustin
Man, the 28 makes crazy torque. Especially when you factor in a restrictor that is less than 1.5 inches. Is the restrictor on the intake?
The restrictor is fitted to the compressor cover of the turbo.


Originally Posted by mudduck
so you made ~500wtq @ only 23.3 psi with that GT28RS? Damn, I would love to see the torque with some higher boost on pump/meth...


This is probably a LOT more fun to drive on the street than a big turbo Evo...


How do you think the stocker 16g would have done (torque-wise) at that boost level (23psi)?


on the 2.5L testing! Keep it coming!
Without the restrictor even I think would have helped (at least power wise.) I think the 16g would make 10-15% more torque at 23psi, but I am not 100%, it is only an estimate.

Originally Posted by mudduck
Is it possible that the restrictor could be helping to increase/spike low-end torque here, at the expense of top-end torque and whp?
Possible, but I have no hard evidence as we did not tune without it. The restrictor is a regulation for open class in Rally-America.


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