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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by lemmonhead
failsafes are great but not even close to protecting your motor. failsafes will protect you if your meth runs out before you hit high boost. But if your already in high boost and your meth runs out. Right AT THAT INSTANT your in high load/high rpm and your a/f ratios will be lean because of no meth. its impossible to instantly drop boost from 30psi to wastegate. Sure it drops fast, say like 0.25 seconds. But that is enough time to blew your motor easily!!!!!!!!!
Now here, get this. Remember what I said about human error ?

*YOUR INABILITY* to check the meth tank every now and then to ensure that the tank *DOES NOT* go too low, does *NOT* make methanol injection a bad product.

I for one check my meth tank at the end of the day when I used it and ordered meth when it hit 1/4 of a tank. (My 4 QT tank)

Like I said. Its MOST LIKELY....... HUMAN ERROR.

Originally Posted by dahuii77
LOLOLOLOL................dame bro i just want to sell my kit....the main reason why i don't want 100%meth in my car is because thats my daily driving car......fill it up every 2 or 3 days........no more meth for my car....hes is clean out of any drug!!.
Now, tell me this, meth injection is triggered when you hit a certain boost level, well, thats how the Aquamist Kit works, maybe Snow Performance is like that. (Never had a S.P. Kit, never will.)

Since you told me that you fill your tank up every 2-3 days, thats means you boost your car *HIGH*, meaning above 10 PSI for daily driving.

Now...... I know for a fact, that daily driving does *NOT* require boosting above 10 PSI.

You my friend, are a liar.

You "run/beat/mash the gas/accelerate" the **** out of your Evo with meth, which in turns *USES* all your meth up, and you wonder why your engine blew......

Hrm. Interesting.

I go through a 4 QT tank in about 14 days, daily driving. I know for a fact S.P. Kits come with a 2 QT, and you go through a 2 QT tank every 2 to 3 days. (Looks like a 2 QT on your Ebay Auction, along with Snow Performance Website saying it comes with a 2 QT.)

And then you ask why your engine blew up.

You seriously have to be kidding me.

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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 07:58 PM
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^ Exactly. I didn't feel like writing all that, glad you did.

Meth is great, with a responsible driver.
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 08:01 PM
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^ Thank you.

"Responsibility" is always a keyword when it comes to Evos.

People wonder:

"Why are Evo engines blowing up?"
"Why do Evos always crash?"
"Why is my Evo broke?" <<< My #1 Evo Pet Peeve Question

It isn't the car, it's the driver.

Maintenence and Responsibility. Learn it, Live it, Apply it to the Evo!

I seriously don't know why the quality of informative posts are declining on EvoM. But I think...... I've found the answer.

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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AznEvoIX
^ Thank you.

"Responsibility" is always a keyword when it comes to Evos.

People wonder:

"Why are Evo engines blowing up?"
"Why do Evos always crash?"
"Why is my Evo broke?" <<< My #1 Evo Pet Peeve Question

It isn't the car, it's the driver.

Maintenence and Responsibility. Learn it, Live it, Apply it to the Evo!

I seriously don't know why the quality of informative posts are declining on EvoM. But I think...... I've found the answer.
whatever mister evom...................lololo
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dahuii77
whatever mister evom...................lololo
Dude were all LOLOLOLOLing at you for blowing up your motor and blaming it on Meth


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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by compscibOi
Dude were all LOLOLOLOLing at you for blowing up your motor and blaming it on Meth


its not that funny............................................. .......................both of you gays,sorry guys meth addicts.
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 09:09 PM
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You guys are talking like a bunch of drag racers..... many people have issues with injection systems when open tracking their car. Even starting with a full tank 15 minutes into the session you could be down to 1/4 tank...... taking a high G turn at partial boost with the meth splashing around in an nearly empty tank can create problems.

Unless you are running crazy high boost for drag racing I dont think I would risk it.
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 09:19 PM
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Since Aquamist came out with the HFS series of kits and I became a dealer about 14 months ago, I have not seen any of my customers with any engine failure related to alcohol injection.

Since the HFS series incorporates a flow sensor working on mili seconds as soon as the flow is beyond the low and high flow settings the system will immediately lower your boost. The function of the fail safe is nearly instant and without a doubt fast enough to safe your motor in the event of a failure.

As far as general tuning with alcohol injection - most people do not realize that most fuel sold in the usa already containes up to 10% ethanol right out of the pump since MTBE was outlawed in most areas. Alcohol will not wash down your cylinders or cause any other harm if it is properly installed and tuned.

On the stock turbo a HFS 1 is good for just over 400 tq and 380 - 390 whp and makes for a really great, fast spooling and enjoyable car. I have dozens and dozens of customers with tens of thousands of miles on the HFS series with no problems.


Those considering al alcohol system - do not cut corners on chepo low budget syetems that do not have fail safe built in. If you are going to buy an alochol kit make sure you get a high quality kit and have it installed by a professional.
Al
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff_Jeske
You guys are talking like a bunch of drag racers..... many people have issues with injection systems when open tracking their car. Even starting with a full tank 15 minutes into the session you could be down to 1/4 tank...... taking a high G turn at partial boost with the meth splashing around in an nearly empty tank can create problems.

Unless you are running crazy high boost for drag racing I dont think I would risk it.
Usually a 5 quart tank will last long enough to empty your gas tank.

Those who are doing long road race sessions may wish to consider attaching two 5 quart tanks in the trunk and daisey chain them together - that is usally enough meth to last for hours.

In the event of high G turns resulting in sucking of air on a low tank - the HFS series would immediately kill the boost if the alcohol flow rate goes below the set point.

Al
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff_Jeske
You guys are talking like a bunch of drag racers..... many people have issues with injection systems when open tracking their car. Even starting with a full tank 15 minutes into the session you could be down to 1/4 tank...... taking a high G turn at partial boost with the meth splashing around in an nearly empty tank can create problems.

Unless you are running crazy high boost for drag racing I dont think I would risk it.

On the stock turbo, you could easily bump your numbers in your sig well above 400+ AWHP.

Can catastrophic failure happen? Yes, we can all die tomorrow.... Is a system that requires a responsible owner to maintain it? Yes. Just using meth alone - does that mean it will blow engines... NO.

That is the whole point I was trying to make.
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 09:26 PM
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I'm just going to skip most of this thread and say that I had a SMC alky kit for ~18k miles and about 100 gallons of SLX denatured alky run through it, 26psi daily, stock VIII turbo, then upgraded to an IX turbo near the end.

Yanked that out to try the Aquamist HFS-1, which I HIGHLY recommend, and have been using for about 10k miles now, boost is about 29psi peak. Is it safe?

I will let this thread I made in the alky section do the talking:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=334575

No wait, just because most people won't click that, HELL YES!

READ up on the subject, you'll find it's safe safe safe and FUN FUN FUN.
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff_Jeske
You guys are talking like a bunch of drag racers..... many people have issues with injection systems when open tracking their car. Even starting with a full tank 15 minutes into the session you could be down to 1/4 tank...... taking a high G turn at partial boost with the meth splashing around in an nearly empty tank can create problems.

Unless you are running crazy high boost for drag racing I dont think I would risk it.
Map switching dude, map switching. See previous post.
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by lemmonhead
failsafes are great but not even close to protecting your motor. failsafes will protect you if your meth runs out before you hit high boost. But if your already in high boost and your meth runs out. Right AT THAT INSTANT your in high load/high rpm and your a/f ratios will be lean because of no meth. its impossible to instantly drop boost from 30psi to wastegate. Sure it drops fast, say like 0.25 seconds. But that is enough time to blew your motor easily!!!!!!!!!
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You are dead wrong on this point

On my daily driver Subaru STI running 30 psi on Aquamist HFS 5 many times I have run out of meth in the middle of a customer demonstration ride - many times

Nothing happens other than the boost drops to wastegate pressure (22 psi)

The switch over is within miliseconds

My tank on the STI uses the stock fmic sprayer tank which holds about a gallon and I run out of meth about every other tank full

90% of my STI use is to take customers here for test drives to demonstrate how the alcohol works to make a lot of power on pump gas

I would show some videos from my You Tube channel to demonstrate but they dont allow that kind of video here

My STI makes 540 Tq and 520 whp on 93 octane at 30 psi (GT35r) and has been doing the same now for about 7 months beating the heck out opf it every time I get in it

Al
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lemmonhead
another thing as already mentioned. Cylinder wash, i totally agree with this and makes perfect sense to me I dont care how many people have used meth for years. Just because their motor is still working dont mean they are not decreasing the life of it. Kinda same thing for guys who only change their oil every 10,000 miles. Sure your motor is still running, but i bet your decreasing the life of it by not changing it every 3,000.
Meth injection was used way back in World War 2 during emergency take offs and evasive action. ask yourself this question, why didn't the us government use it 100% of the time insteasd of just during emergencies?
ANSWER im sure is because it would decrease the life of the plane and make it not dependable during combate.
This is more BS

As I have already suggested most fuel sold in the USA and ALL fuel sold in my state CT has 10% ethanol

As we all know many people run on E 85 with no problems

If the car is tuned for alcohol there is zero cylinder wash or other problem

Since alcohol supresses almost all knock and detonation and cools the intake charge temps I would suggest that injecting alcohol is more reliable than using ordinary pump gas and less stressful on your engine
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by scheides
I'm just going to skip most of this thread and say that I had a SMC alky kit for ~18k miles and about 100 gallons of SLX denatured alky run through it, 26psi daily, stock VIII turbo, then upgraded to an IX turbo near the end.

Yanked that out to try the Aquamist HFS-1, which I HIGHLY recommend, and have been using for about 10k miles now, boost is about 29psi peak. Is it safe?

I will let this thread I made in the alky section do the talking:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=334575

No wait, just because most people won't click that, HELL YES!

READ up on the subject, you'll find it's safe safe safe and FUN FUN FUN.
This has been the experience of dozens and dozens of my customers as well

Installed and tuned properly a high quality alcohol kit is very reliable and safe - period
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