wow, nice vid!! ive been looking for something like this, thought the red would have done better.

the red did good....did u see the 2nd run it did friggin awsome for a stock appearing turbo

...and here is evodan's sheet from the same dyno...
http://www.full-race.com/prototype2/...-TS35R-272.jpg
I think that might support the idea that the tq. of the TS setup DOES make a big difference

^^^is that pump gas like in the video

Those are amazing curves for a 35R, is that really still a 2.0L?

That is my car against EvoDan's. When we got to the shootout we noticed my car started leaking oil up there. Turned out to be the front main seal. We weren't aware of the problems it was causing until we put it on Buschur's dyno.

My car made 456whp @ 6500rpms on Buschur's dyno. By 7000 I was already down 30whp. I believe we were turning 7500 in the video (I wasnt driving), which if the graph stays consistent, Id probably be around 400whp. I short shifted at the track and picked up 4mph over shifting at 7400. We're trying to figure out what's causing the power loss up top.

Dan's car is strong though, I definitely give him props and I have a lot of respect for him. In all honestly, a 35r should out perform a Red in a drag racing situation. With that said, the turbo is only a small part of the equation, the whole combination decides the final outcome.

i have an HTA35R on pump on a stock block..and i am really really happy with the car...i wouldnt have gone anything else...
however...i would love to try the red! thus recomended it for a friends evo!

a 35R with supporting mods has clearly proven to make 600+ and some hta's have hit 700 a red probably wont be able to do that. The red is clearly a street racing "bone stock" appearing turbo that can make good power

Thanks for speaking up. I agree completely. That's why I thought this thread was so ridiculous to begin with (see my post earlier on this thread). But your car is excellent and honestly I am surprised at how well it hangs with the TS35R in the video. Props and respect to you.

Indeed. Yes STOCK 2.0. 93 oct. Twin scroll

I do believe so, and will assume so unless proven otherwise, based on his 93 oct. results at Ivey's.

A well built RED on race gas is very close (or slightly better) than a well built HTA35R on pump. Both will run
very, very low 10's and high 9's. The difference is the average horsepower from 4500 - 8000. The HTA35R is 70-75 lb turbos where as the Red is only ~60lbs. That 10 -15 lbs of air is 100-150 whp PEAK. The PEAK whp doesn't always win the race. That's why this conversation is at least plausible, since our car and several HTA35R's on pump still run so closely in ET's and SOMETIMES in mph.

It's common knowledge that David's RS worked very hard to break into the 9's on pump gas. His car and ours are very close to same weight. His recent runs on the HTA35R were 10.0x on PUMP. Our car, same type build, similar weight on the RED also went same times, within .04 or so. I don't think our times were the best we can get, nor are David's, but I think his was closer to being maxed than ours was. Both of these cars represent the POTENTIAL of both turbos. A street race with different mods on different cars and different tunes would not accurately represent the comparative potential of either one of the turbos.

What other mods do you have? Cams, manifolds and such...

1200s, BR dual pump, GSC S2, ETS FMIC, Ported Stock Exhaust Manifold, Stock intake manifold, ARP head studs, stock unported head, stock bottom end, E85.