DD AMS 42R? Is anyone doing this? ANY 42R.
I have a few friends with GT42R setups in a couple different kinds of cars.
2.6L Subaru w/GT4202
2.2L Toyota w/GT4294R
2.0L Honda w/GT4294R
They are all VERY responsive setups and lag IS NOT an issue. From their experience, the key to a responsive GT42 is a properly setup divided manifold setup.
I would not call any of them street cars though. They are all WAY too loud on the street because of the 4" exhaust and large turbine side. Add in the large cams and 1600cc injectors on standalones and none of them idle or drive worth the crap, in a daily driver sense. They are all manageable on the street. But you are more or less putting up with a turd just so you can say you have a GT42 and have a stupid amount of top end power.
A well setup GT35, IMO is a much better street car.
2.6L Subaru w/GT4202
2.2L Toyota w/GT4294R
2.0L Honda w/GT4294R
They are all VERY responsive setups and lag IS NOT an issue. From their experience, the key to a responsive GT42 is a properly setup divided manifold setup.
I would not call any of them street cars though. They are all WAY too loud on the street because of the 4" exhaust and large turbine side. Add in the large cams and 1600cc injectors on standalones and none of them idle or drive worth the crap, in a daily driver sense. They are all manageable on the street. But you are more or less putting up with a turd just so you can say you have a GT42 and have a stupid amount of top end power.
A well setup GT35, IMO is a much better street car.
From what I saw of the AMS black street car with the 2.3 and GT42, it was WAY too laggy... if anything, a turbo that size needs a 2.0 so it can rev out very high, but even then, I think 42 is just too big for the street by any means. I think a an HTA35R like Buschur's RS setup is more than enough with great response for the power. Id definitely go that route!
30Tsi, kindly take the fight somewhere else.
Soon2BEVO, we do have some tricks up our sleeves that will most likely find its way into this build, though I am not denying its wont spool like stock. If we had the proper dynosheet (still looking) I would be better able to illustrate it.
03, this was a 35R street car and Aaron was wanting more
Soon2BEVO, we do have some tricks up our sleeves that will most likely find its way into this build, though I am not denying its wont spool like stock. If we had the proper dynosheet (still looking) I would be better able to illustrate it.
03, this was a 35R street car and Aaron was wanting more
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The car was a AMS 35R, stock block car. with small cams and methonal.
And guys this thread was not created as a bash each other thread, I wanted to get people's experiences with the 42R as a DD. I know there's got to be a few out there.
All of you that think I'm nieve enough to think this car is going to be as much fun as my 35R was on the street, you are tripping. I understand that this will be alittle more lag. But I want something that's unique. And the English Racing is managing my build..... Enough said. Out of all the shops that I have had experience with (And I've worked with the big two) These guys are the most knowledgable and easy to work with. I drove over 2500 miles this year alone to have them tune my car.
I believe this when it's done will open alot of eyes to a build such as this as a worthy street car, and a monster track car.
And guys this thread was not created as a bash each other thread, I wanted to get people's experiences with the 42R as a DD. I know there's got to be a few out there.
All of you that think I'm nieve enough to think this car is going to be as much fun as my 35R was on the street, you are tripping. I understand that this will be alittle more lag. But I want something that's unique. And the English Racing is managing my build..... Enough said. Out of all the shops that I have had experience with (And I've worked with the big two) These guys are the most knowledgable and easy to work with. I drove over 2500 miles this year alone to have them tune my car.
I believe this when it's done will open alot of eyes to a build such as this as a worthy street car, and a monster track car.
The car was a AMS 35R, stock block car. with small cams and methonal.
And guys this thread was not created as a bash each other thread, I wanted to get people's experiences with the 42R as a DD. I know there's got to be a few out there.
All of you that think I'm nieve enough to think this car is going to be as much fun as my 35R was on the street, you are tripping. I understand that this will be alittle more lag. But I want something that's unique. And the English Racing is managing my build..... Enough said. Out of all the shops that I have had experience with (And I've worked with the big two) These guys are the most knowledgable and easy to work with. I drove over 2500 miles this year alone to have them tune my car.
I believe this when it's done will open alot of eyes to a build such as this as a worthy street car, and a monster track car.
And guys this thread was not created as a bash each other thread, I wanted to get people's experiences with the 42R as a DD. I know there's got to be a few out there.
All of you that think I'm nieve enough to think this car is going to be as much fun as my 35R was on the street, you are tripping. I understand that this will be alittle more lag. But I want something that's unique. And the English Racing is managing my build..... Enough said. Out of all the shops that I have had experience with (And I've worked with the big two) These guys are the most knowledgable and easy to work with. I drove over 2500 miles this year alone to have them tune my car.
I believe this when it's done will open alot of eyes to a build such as this as a worthy street car, and a monster track car.
Well, with that out of the way, I will say my personal list of Turbos that belong on an EVO goes like so:
IX
GT35
GT42
So I guess I'd have to agree with you on the turbo choice. But I've ridden in and driven a few GT35R cars and a few GT42R cars. Hands down, as a street car, the GT35R was just fun. With the GT42, you are just asking for an accident, ticket, or broken drivetrain parts every time you get on it on the street.
If I was at that cross road, I'd be looking at pulling out weight and maxing out the GT35 before changing to the GT42. Buschur has shown pretty well that if you aren't dipping into the 9s with a GT35R, you aren't trying that hard.
IX
GT35
GT42
So I guess I'd have to agree with you on the turbo choice. But I've ridden in and driven a few GT35R cars and a few GT42R cars. Hands down, as a street car, the GT35R was just fun. With the GT42, you are just asking for an accident, ticket, or broken drivetrain parts every time you get on it on the street.
If I was at that cross road, I'd be looking at pulling out weight and maxing out the GT35 before changing to the GT42. Buschur has shown pretty well that if you aren't dipping into the 9s with a GT35R, you aren't trying that hard.
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Well, with that out of the way, I will say my personal list of Turbos that belong on an EVO goes like so:
IX
GT35
GT42
So I guess I'd have to agree with you on the turbo choice. But I've ridden in and driven a few GT35R cars and a few GT42R cars. Hands down, as a street car, the GT35R was just fun. With the GT42, you are just asking for an accident, ticket, or broken drivetrain parts every time you get on it on the street.
If I was at that cross road, I'd be looking at pulling out weight and maxing out the GT35 before changing to the GT42. Buschur has shown pretty well that if you aren't dipping into the 9s with a GT35R, you aren't trying that hard.
IX
GT35
GT42
So I guess I'd have to agree with you on the turbo choice. But I've ridden in and driven a few GT35R cars and a few GT42R cars. Hands down, as a street car, the GT35R was just fun. With the GT42, you are just asking for an accident, ticket, or broken drivetrain parts every time you get on it on the street.
If I was at that cross road, I'd be looking at pulling out weight and maxing out the GT35 before changing to the GT42. Buschur has shown pretty well that if you aren't dipping into the 9s with a GT35R, you aren't trying that hard.
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Sorry but i didn't quite get to read through all the other replies (busy at work)....but they also have another build that's getting a 42r, 2.0L, built head, gsc cams, 1600's, etc.
That car will see lots of street duty as it will be tuned for E85 / race gas / and 91
Hey Aaron,
We are are so excited to hear about your goal and are here to help you with whatever you need! With the 42R kit you will have to get rid of your AC but can keep the power steering no problem. The downpipe runs right where the AC compressor mounts to the block so it has to go. We have had a few customers purchase this kit and drive it on the street with no problems because the spool up is not that bad with the right engine setup.
As far as pump gas numbers, we really haven't had anybody try to get the most out of this setup on pump gas because of the turbo size. You can't get too much out of it before detonation takes over. I was talking to Chris and he stated that depending on your motor setup you should be able to get around 600whp give or take but that woud be on 93 oct. Again we dont have any times on these cars at the track on pump gas because they all run race gas so it would be interesting to see what you can do if this is your goal!
As far as motor setups go we have had guys run the 2.1 drag motor, 2.3RR, and the 2.0 bottom ends with ported heads. Im sure now they will use the CNC head with the 42R turbo but we havent had any yet do to its new arrival on the market. We recommend a minimum of 93 oct for pump gas, 93 oct and methanol mix or E85 with this turbo setup. Please let us no if you have any further questions or feel free to call the shop and talk to a salesman and we can get you on your way.
We are are so excited to hear about your goal and are here to help you with whatever you need! With the 42R kit you will have to get rid of your AC but can keep the power steering no problem. The downpipe runs right where the AC compressor mounts to the block so it has to go. We have had a few customers purchase this kit and drive it on the street with no problems because the spool up is not that bad with the right engine setup.
As far as pump gas numbers, we really haven't had anybody try to get the most out of this setup on pump gas because of the turbo size. You can't get too much out of it before detonation takes over. I was talking to Chris and he stated that depending on your motor setup you should be able to get around 600whp give or take but that woud be on 93 oct. Again we dont have any times on these cars at the track on pump gas because they all run race gas so it would be interesting to see what you can do if this is your goal!
As far as motor setups go we have had guys run the 2.1 drag motor, 2.3RR, and the 2.0 bottom ends with ported heads. Im sure now they will use the CNC head with the 42R turbo but we havent had any yet do to its new arrival on the market. We recommend a minimum of 93 oct for pump gas, 93 oct and methanol mix or E85 with this turbo setup. Please let us no if you have any further questions or feel free to call the shop and talk to a salesman and we can get you on your way.
Last edited by Darius@AMS; Oct 7, 2008 at 02:54 PM.
Since you're in Wyoming, I'm guessing you only have 91 oct at the pump and not 93/94 oct, so my suggestion would be to go with the 850R turbo kit. And again, pump gas plus methanol or E85 would be best.
Last edited by Darius@AMS; Oct 7, 2008 at 03:00 PM.
From what I saw of the AMS black street car with the 2.3 and GT42, it was WAY too laggy... if anything, a turbo that size needs a 2.0 so it can rev out very high, but even then, I think 42 is just too big for the street by any means. I think a an HTA35R like Buschur's RS setup is more than enough with great response for the power. Id definitely go that route!
