FP Red =]
Buschur told me 3-4 weeks. The wait is the worst part about it. But during the wait is the time to put my new GSC S1 cams in and HKS carbon TI on, along with some more upgrades.
I have recieved my FP Red turbo. it is installed in my car and im waiting for a tune now. I installed the GSC S1 cams and some other goodies. the car runs great. I will hopefully be going to Buschur soon and putting it on the Dyno. i will put some numbers up after i get back.
My only concern with it is if it will hold up to some abuse, and if it doesn't what fp will do about it. There's a couple in the area making awesome power though and it's a much better road course turbo then a hta that's for sure.
Thanks Man, and the reason i went with S1's is becuz im only going to be street racing and going to the local strip. I know it sounds great loping lol
That is my concern also, will it hold up? i guess we will have to see. lol
That is my concern also, will it hold up? i guess we will have to see. lol
As far as abuse, they deal with it very well. Remember to avoid using the stock airbox, it can result in a overspped situation as the turbo sucks on the limited flow capacity of thje stock filter box. Also boost leaks will take their toll if left unchecked. It can be hard to beleive there is a boost leak sometimes with a larger turbo liek the Red since it has enough air to fill the motor and supply a good sized leak, but doing so really drives the shaft speed thru the roof.
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Robert, would it be possible to supply the turbo with an actuator that doesn't let it overspeed? In the UK, rightly or wrongly the MLR seem to think that FP turbos are unreliable after various high profile failures.
I enjoyed tuning one to 420 WHP this week using 26 PSI at peak power on 99 RON + 10% meth in tank. It might well have done more because a knock free 11.5-12 AFR street tune resulted in excessive knock retard and overfuelling on the dyno. With just actuator pressure it held 24 PSI flat across the range and drove well. I was impressed with the spool - it hit full boost at 3500 RPM, boost curves were only delayed 100-200 RPM compared to the Green.
However, I wouldn't put one on my engine because there was marked full throttle compressor surge from 3500-4000 RPM in the top two gears. I'm not talking about lugging it truck style from 1500 RPM, I'm simply talking about being in 5th or 6th gear at good highway speeds and going WOT. The surge noise didn't clear completely until 4500 RPM, but it was severe enough below 4000 RPM with the car starting to jerk that you wouldn't want to drive through it regularly if you had mechanical sympathy in fear of damaging the turbo. Perhaps it is lazy not changing down, but there is ample torque to not need it. So the "instatorque" feel of the stock IX turbo is lost and I couldn't live with one on my daily driver. It seems a bit pointless to have the low down spool that you can't actually use because of surge, turbo again seems mismatched like the Green did. I suppose you still get the benefit from quick spool in the first four gears, and it is still a great achievement to shoehorn such big wheels into stock housings.
I enjoyed tuning one to 420 WHP this week using 26 PSI at peak power on 99 RON + 10% meth in tank. It might well have done more because a knock free 11.5-12 AFR street tune resulted in excessive knock retard and overfuelling on the dyno. With just actuator pressure it held 24 PSI flat across the range and drove well. I was impressed with the spool - it hit full boost at 3500 RPM, boost curves were only delayed 100-200 RPM compared to the Green.
However, I wouldn't put one on my engine because there was marked full throttle compressor surge from 3500-4000 RPM in the top two gears. I'm not talking about lugging it truck style from 1500 RPM, I'm simply talking about being in 5th or 6th gear at good highway speeds and going WOT. The surge noise didn't clear completely until 4500 RPM, but it was severe enough below 4000 RPM with the car starting to jerk that you wouldn't want to drive through it regularly if you had mechanical sympathy in fear of damaging the turbo. Perhaps it is lazy not changing down, but there is ample torque to not need it. So the "instatorque" feel of the stock IX turbo is lost and I couldn't live with one on my daily driver. It seems a bit pointless to have the low down spool that you can't actually use because of surge, turbo again seems mismatched like the Green did. I suppose you still get the benefit from quick spool in the first four gears, and it is still a great achievement to shoehorn such big wheels into stock housings.
Last edited by jcsbanks; Nov 16, 2008 at 04:02 AM.
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Robert, would it be possible to supply the turbo with an actuator that doesn't let it overspeed? In the UK, rightly or wrongly the MLR seem to think that FP turbos are unreliable after various high profile failures.
I enjoyed tuning one to 420 WHP this week using 26 PSI at peak power on 99 RON + 10% meth in tank. It might well have done more because a knock free 11.5-12 AFR street tune resulted in excessive knock retard and overfuelling on the dyno. With just actuator pressure it held 24 PSI flat across the range and drove well. I was impressed with the spool - it hit full boost at 3500 RPM, boost curves were only delayed 100-200 RPM compared to the Green.
However, I wouldn't put one on my engine because there was marked full throttle compressor surge from 3500-4000 RPM in the top two gears. I'm not talking about lugging it truck style from 1500 RPM, I'm simply talking about being in 5th or 6th gear at good highway speeds and going WOT. The surge noise didn't clear completely until 4500 RPM, but it was severe enough below 4000 RPM with the car starting to jerk that you wouldn't want to drive through it regularly if you had mechanical sympathy in fear of damaging the turbo. Perhaps it is lazy not changing down, but there is ample torque to not need it. So the "instatorque" feel of the stock IX turbo is lost and I couldn't live with one on my daily driver. It seems a bit pointless to have the low down spool that you can't actually use because of surge, turbo again seems mismatched like the Green did. I suppose you still get the benefit from quick spool in the first four gears, and it is still a great achievement to shoehorn such big wheels into stock housings.
I enjoyed tuning one to 420 WHP this week using 26 PSI at peak power on 99 RON + 10% meth in tank. It might well have done more because a knock free 11.5-12 AFR street tune resulted in excessive knock retard and overfuelling on the dyno. With just actuator pressure it held 24 PSI flat across the range and drove well. I was impressed with the spool - it hit full boost at 3500 RPM, boost curves were only delayed 100-200 RPM compared to the Green.
However, I wouldn't put one on my engine because there was marked full throttle compressor surge from 3500-4000 RPM in the top two gears. I'm not talking about lugging it truck style from 1500 RPM, I'm simply talking about being in 5th or 6th gear at good highway speeds and going WOT. The surge noise didn't clear completely until 4500 RPM, but it was severe enough below 4000 RPM with the car starting to jerk that you wouldn't want to drive through it regularly if you had mechanical sympathy in fear of damaging the turbo. Perhaps it is lazy not changing down, but there is ample torque to not need it. So the "instatorque" feel of the stock IX turbo is lost and I couldn't live with one on my daily driver. It seems a bit pointless to have the low down spool that you can't actually use because of surge, turbo again seems mismatched like the Green did. I suppose you still get the benefit from quick spool in the first four gears, and it is still a great achievement to shoehorn such big wheels into stock housings.
i personally think thats livable, the turbo is built for performance/street racing your very unlikely going to be getting into 5th or 6th (very high speed) street racing/sprinting and even if you did why would you short shift 4th or 5th to end up in low rpm areas?
yes we'll deffo want that acceleration when on a motorway when we just need to squeeze the throttle to overtake something but for that only downside the rest of the performance everywhere else more than makes up for it.
imo of cousre
Last edited by leecavturbo; Nov 16, 2008 at 04:21 AM.
Robert, would it be possible to supply the turbo with an actuator that doesn't let it overspeed? In the UK, rightly or wrongly the MLR seem to think that FP turbos are unreliable after various high profile failures.
I enjoyed tuning one to 420 WHP this week using 26 PSI at peak power on 99 RON + 10% meth in tank. It might well have done more because a knock free 11.5-12 AFR street tune resulted in excessive knock retard and overfuelling on the dyno. With just actuator pressure it held 24 PSI flat across the range and drove well. I was impressed with the spool - it hit full boost at 3500 RPM, boost curves were only delayed 100-200 RPM compared to the Green.
However, I wouldn't put one on my engine because there was marked full throttle compressor surge from 3500-4000 RPM in the top two gears. I'm not talking about lugging it truck style from 1500 RPM, I'm simply talking about being in 5th or 6th gear at good highway speeds and going WOT. The surge noise didn't clear completely until 4500 RPM, but it was severe enough below 4000 RPM with the car starting to jerk that you wouldn't want to drive through it regularly if you had mechanical sympathy in fear of damaging the turbo. Perhaps it is lazy not changing down, but there is ample torque to not need it. So the "instatorque" feel of the stock IX turbo is lost and I couldn't live with one on my daily driver. It seems a bit pointless to have the low down spool that you can't actually use because of surge, turbo again seems mismatched like the Green did. I suppose you still get the benefit from quick spool in the first four gears, and it is still a great achievement to shoehorn such big wheels into stock housings.
I enjoyed tuning one to 420 WHP this week using 26 PSI at peak power on 99 RON + 10% meth in tank. It might well have done more because a knock free 11.5-12 AFR street tune resulted in excessive knock retard and overfuelling on the dyno. With just actuator pressure it held 24 PSI flat across the range and drove well. I was impressed with the spool - it hit full boost at 3500 RPM, boost curves were only delayed 100-200 RPM compared to the Green.
However, I wouldn't put one on my engine because there was marked full throttle compressor surge from 3500-4000 RPM in the top two gears. I'm not talking about lugging it truck style from 1500 RPM, I'm simply talking about being in 5th or 6th gear at good highway speeds and going WOT. The surge noise didn't clear completely until 4500 RPM, but it was severe enough below 4000 RPM with the car starting to jerk that you wouldn't want to drive through it regularly if you had mechanical sympathy in fear of damaging the turbo. Perhaps it is lazy not changing down, but there is ample torque to not need it. So the "instatorque" feel of the stock IX turbo is lost and I couldn't live with one on my daily driver. It seems a bit pointless to have the low down spool that you can't actually use because of surge, turbo again seems mismatched like the Green did. I suppose you still get the benefit from quick spool in the first four gears, and it is still a great achievement to shoehorn such big wheels into stock housings.
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Do you mean which turbo do I like for highway laziness in 5th and 6th? If so, personally I'm sticking with my stock IX turbo. If it wasn't for the surge I would install a Red as soon as I could get one. For many this will not be a problem, depends on your preferences.
I am going to have to agree with leecavturbo im going to be street racing and i honestly dont plan on getting into 6th gear that is why im getting a built 5 speed. I thank you all for your opinions. Now on the high way i just might be making some high speed runs. I was offered a high boost actuator for the red but i havce not purchased yet. I am very excited to see how the car does with the tune i am going to get.
