Haha, Sikrsix gets into it with everyone...He's right though. However you want to word it, you gotta pay to play.

 

I would just keep the 850 c.c. injectors that you already have. They give you enough headroom for the Red on pump gas. The 680's, and even the 720's can be easily maxed out even on your current Green setup with a 25+ PSI pump gas tune.

If you will be doing headstuds then the shop will have to pull the head, so at that point, with the head already off the block, get a Buschur port and polish job. Put in higher lift bumpsticks than the S1's so as to take advantage of the higher flowing ports.

If the headwork seems like too much expense, then look at it this way....I would max out the Green before moving up to Red. Get the cylinderhead ported and install the hotter cams along with the headstuds and the BR ported exhaust manifold, ported TB, ported IM and O2 housing. This will allow you to fully max out your current Green turbo. Get the BR RACE IC too. After maxing the Green out at 420+, THEN you can slap on the Red and do the bottom end at that time.

EDIT: (To sikrsix) I want to get in touch with Miss Cleo but when I dial the 800 number I get a recording. Do you have her cellphone or home number?

 

That's not a question that can be answered honestly. I'm sure 450-500whp dynojet would last two years if you didn't beat the snot out of your car. I have an appointment with Sean Ivey with parts in my sig. I'll be at 500whp and I'm hoping it'll last till next winter. Then I'm doing a Drop-In set.

 

+1 buddy, thats is true my boy was told he would make 350-360 with hks cams i think it was 272's valve springs and the whole nine then he went to ivey tune to get his shyt done and only 335awhp, you will never know till you tune buddy!

 

Thanks for all the advice.

The green is already sold. I sold the green right away because it was just sent into FP to get freshened up and wanted to get the most money I could for it.

I wish I had the money to get it done right but I do not think that will happen till next year or the year after.

I would think that the evo would see 4-5 track events this year. So, I guess up to 500 miles of getting the crap beat out of it.

By the way, I want the best spool up possible with this setup. Yes I know, stroker is the way to go but unless I win the lottery real quick, that is a no go.

 

You really are asking for a lot. You kind of sound like me when I was captured by the modding addiction at first. You want a safe maxed out bottom end that will last for two years and you want the fastest spool. To be honest, I would of stayed with the Green. That would have gotten you two years even with alky. I know you sold it so can't do that. I'm having the RED installed in a couple of months and my expectations on the Buschur Dyno are right around 500whp. But, that's with a built motor, AEM, 1000cc injectors, BR Cams and around 30psi on E85. My original estimate of 350 to 375 on 93oct is in my opinion a pretty accurate guess (+or - 30whp). I've had my car on that dyno more then 10 separate times and viewed many other cars with builds like yours and the numbers I've listed are in the range of what I remember. Remember, this is a LOW reading dyno compared to many others. To be completely honest, I think your biggest worry right now should only be what the stock bottom end can handle. That's very difficult to tell. Everyone drives different. I baby my car while others are in boost constantly. On the BR dyno, I would not go over 400whp even if your a mellow kind of driver. That's a lot of power on this particular dyno! In the end, dyno numbers don't really matter. One person may have 500whp and you may have 400whp and both are trapping the same at the track. It's just a number and is really only valuable in determining changes you've made to the car. That's it.

 

I am not new to the dsm world. I am a little newer to the evo world. I have owned many very fast dsm's.

I completely understand what you are saying. I sold the green because prices were dropping on them quite a bit and bought the red knowing that I would be doing a motor in a year or two.

Now, that is what I was looking for. Do not go over 400hp on the Buschur dyno. I know each motor is different and who knows how long any motor will last. Was just looking for peoples opinion on where I should be at. Not a bunch of BS.

I am about to take out a damn loan so I can get a built motor and whatnot but I hate paying a bank interest!!! I am trying to sell some stuff around here and will see what happens. Would like to have the car up and running by the end of March.

 

I have a stock block on meth and 93 oct making about 500whp daily driven. I know It's not gonna last long if I hit it everyday, But try to change the psitons and rods. The stock ones are weak and that's all you have to worry about

 

What kind of dyno is that on? I would love to do that but the last track I was at, it was 100 miles of pure hell. When I get a motor done, I think I will lean towards a Buschur stroker motor. It will be nice to get the spool up back to where the green spooled on the stock block.

 

Make sure you know exactly what your ultimate goal is first before choosing a stroker kit. If your looking for a good daily driver with better spool and not so much a great track car (1/4), then a stroker will work great especially with the RED. But, if your looking for a car to get the most out of at the track, stay with the built 2.0.

Again, I wouldn't worry about where others have tuned their cars unless your just looking for a sheet to show off to friends. It's just a number. What do you say to the person next to you that just trapped the same speed with a lot less hp? I've seen so many 500whp cars trapping less then 125. If that was my car and my dyno sheet said 500whp, I'd throw that sheet away.

Anyways, I'm just trying to help. I hope you get some good numbers but like someone else said, don't go in there expecting too much. Good luck!

 

My goal is pretty much get the best of both worlds. Get the stroker which will spool the turbo up from what I have read 400-500 rpms faster. I would just have to have 2 different tunes, one for pump gas and one for race gas for 1/4 mile. Or throw a bottle of happy gas in the trunk with the second tune for the 1/4.

I am not the greatest driver on a road course and don't think I ever will be. Thus, the stroker will help with that a little.

I will not be disappointed when I take my car to Buschur. This is only temporary. Was not looking for a huge number anyways. Just want some good power out of it but still last atleast a little while.

 

I'll be doing a complete Buschur long block down the line

 

According to Works, the stock pistons can only handle 340whp and last forever. Anything more than that and you're eventually gonna run into problems

 

For road racing, turning down the boost from what you peak at on the dyno would be a prudent thing to do if you value the life of your engine...

 

Now I just need to figure out if I want to spend a little more money and have the head done while it is there. That way it will not be so bad when I have the motor done being that I would already have the head. $6k in one shot for a motor is pretty rough!!!