Ok, here is the deal. I have an 06 IX and am looking for a max hp estimate with the mods listed below on 93 octane It will be taken to Buschur Racing for arp head studs, cam install and a tune. Basically what I am looking to do is max out the stock block and still be reliable for a couple years of road racing. I need to know the number that will safely acheive the above on Buschur's dyno. I want to know if I am going to have to do more than what is listed below to acheive safely maxing out the stock lower end. After 2 years, I would get a new lower end.

Mod list:

Ported FP Red
Ported exhaust manifold
Buschur 3" turbo back, no cat
Walbro 255 fuel pump
Arp head studs
GSC S1 cams
Ets 3" intercooler
2.5" lower i/c pipe
3" upper i/c pipe
Forge BOV
Manual boost controller
3" intake pipe, K&N, and custom cold air box
Ebay O2 housing
PTE 680's

Any thoughts would be appriciated. Thank you!

 

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It's kind of hard to tell especially on the BR dyno. Let me make sure I understand. Your having BR install the headstuds, cams and a tune. Does this mean you'll already have all the other parts on the car? If so, on 93oct and stock ecu, I would guess you'd make in the range of 350-375whp. I'm not entirely sure why your only going to run 93 with the RED but if that makes you happy, nothing wrong with it. You'd definitely make a LOT more with more boost especially with the RED. I'm not entirely sure but you may look at getting bigger injectors especially if you may one day run more boost.

Again, this is just a guess. I hope you make more of course. As for the bottom end, I'd say 400-420 on the BR dyno is pushing the limit. When I finally made 400whp on the BR dyno, I had a stg 3 block & head installed for insurance purposes.

Good luck!

 

I would ask whoever is tuning the car.

 

I did not ask for stupid input. Thank you.

 

I had a green on the car and do not even have the red on it yet. I have 850cc injectors in it and talked to Buschur and they said to get 680's.

The reason why I am doing what I am doing is because I do not have the money for a new lower end right now. I would love to build a lower end and head but money says NO right now.

 

This question has been answered 50,000 times!!! The fact that you asked a stupid question will get you a stupid answer. You want to MAX out your motor, but keep it reliable and stock bottom end? IMPOSSIBLE!!!

680's on a red? People dont even put 680's on a stock turbo. I hope you plan on running meth so you can raise the boost. That turbo was made to run high boost (27-30+ psi) not stock levels. Nobody on this forum can guess your dyno numbers. Dave at Buschur wont know, until he tunes your car. EVERY CAR IS DIFFERENT! Someone will tell you 400hp and you'll be disappointed when you hit 330hp and vise versa. Dont go off dyno queen numbers, when you drive away you'll be pumped of all its new found power, end of story.

 

We just did a IX with red and all the Buschur supporting mods including the race fmic and ported TB and intake etc that made 450 on pump gas - we will be tuning it on race gas soon - should do at least 530 on race gas

This is on a Dyno jet dyno

We regularly make 500 whp on red's with pump and meth with the stock ecu and short block

I had a good discussion recently with one of my customers who was making 420 whp on the STOCK TURBO on one of my videos about balancing the rick of engine failure against the concept of trying to make as much power as possible. Basically the more power you are making the less reliable your parts will be over the long term. The idea is to strike a decent balance between power and life span.

Buschur is the best tuner I know so you are in great hands.

Al

 

I am asking for the max hp you can get out of a block safely for 2 years. Not that hard since evos have been around for how many years now.

If you do not have anything that can help me, go find someone else to yell at. I am sure other people will be kind enough to help.

 

Thank you for your input. I currently have your tune on the car and love it. Evos have been around for quite awhile now and people know the approximate numbers and how long a motor will last with a given HP. I am not asking for exact numbers, I am asking for a what people think the best number would be on Buschurs dyno.

I do understand the more you throw at a motor the less reliable it will be. Just trying to get input on what number i should be at for what i want.

Then there is the dyno factor. I know Buschur's dyno reads very low.

I cant wait until I can get everything out of the red!!!!

 

Dynoflash said the same thing.. guess i have no idea what im talking about.

You want a guess, try her....

 

Seriously, you are quite annoying.

And you do not know what you are talking about. "Basically the more power you are making the less reliable your parts will be over the long term. The idea is to strike a decent balance between power and life span." If you can not answer power to life span, you should not open your big mouth!!! Not asking for an exact # here. Asking what people would think is a good number to make my stock block last for 2 years and still get a good amount of power out of it. Nvr2old32 says 400-420 on the Buschur dyno is pushing it. And that is what kind of answer I am looking for.

I am sure there is plenty of people out there with different HP numbers with stock blocks. I would like input from them and what #'s they have seen and how long their lower end lasted.

But there always has to be an idiot that opens their big mouth.

 

Does anyone have a good number I should be looking for on Buschurs dyno. From people I have talked to, they say 400 should be playing it safe. And is that possible with the mods that I have?

 

sikrsix, its guys like you that made me leave the NASIOC boards. If you don't have anything helpful to say, why waste your time.

 

The point is there is no definitive answer. The stock motor will last the longest in stock form, obviously the motor was overbuilt for longevity. Increasing cylinder pressures and heat will hurt longevity of the motor. How long will it last, who knows. There is no line in the sand where the motor just becomes unreliable. The consensus seems to be ~500awhp. At that point you have enough invested where spending $2-3k on a bottom end isn't larger then the investment already made so why risk ruining your entire setup.