Notices
Evo Engine / Turbo / Drivetrain Everything from engine management to the best clutch and flywheel.

my external wastegate on stock turbo!!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 15, 2009 | 07:30 PM
  #76  
justa4banger's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,340
Likes: 0
From: underground
sounds good
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2009 | 07:34 PM
  #77  
evokid511's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,005
Likes: 0
From: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
thank you, not a great video though... will have better sounding ones later
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2009 | 08:27 PM
  #78  
Boltz.'s Avatar
Evolved Member
FCOTM Winner
iTrader: (42)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,502
Likes: 0
From: St. Charles, IL
Props for the DIY, but you have a flawed design. You have essentially made your turbo a single scroll from a twin.

Looks like it doesn't hold boost very well.


If you really wanted to do it, you should have kept the manifold the same, removed the internal wg and flapper, then fabbed this up from the o2 housing.

It would have been a lot easier. Buy a EPM o2 dump, remove the WG, cut the dumptube weld on the wg flange, bolt it up, then weld a new dumptube.

You really should redo this, like scott said, this is hurting efficiency/power. I could explain in greater detail if nec.
Reply
Old Mar 15, 2009 | 08:32 PM
  #79  
evokid511's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,005
Likes: 0
From: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
i no that was the easier way to do it but didnt like it that way... and i no its a sinal scroll now but have a new one being made that the Y pipe will be completey seperated till the wg so it will still be a true twin scrll again... and actually i havent noticed it being any laggier and that vid doesnt show boost well it actually holds very well
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2009 | 01:19 PM
  #80  
RevMoto's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (19)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,041
Likes: 1
From: Boca Raton
All of you saying he turned this into a single scroll are wrong. The only flaw to this was when he y'd it to the wastegate he should have put a divider to prevent a leak between the two ports. It will create a very little effect and probably not even noticeable. What he did is the same as what DNP does to their twin scroll manifold and it seems to work just fine.
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2009 | 01:49 PM
  #81  
evokid511's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,005
Likes: 0
From: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
thanks rev, you gottacheck it out its sickkkkkk!! and i dont notice any more lag or any loss in performance at all and it hold boost crazyyyyyy hold 27lbs all day now
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2009 | 10:00 PM
  #82  
Boltz.'s Avatar
Evolved Member
FCOTM Winner
iTrader: (42)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,502
Likes: 0
From: St. Charles, IL
Originally Posted by RevMoto
All of you saying he turned this into a single scroll are wrong. The only flaw to this was when he y'd it to the wastegate he should have put a divider to prevent a leak between the two ports. It will create a very little effect and probably not even noticeable. What he did is the same as what DNP does to their twin scroll manifold and it seems to work just fine.
I didn't say it is now a single scroll. I said essentially it is. Obvious the turbine has two seperate volutes leading to the turbine wheel, but the effect of keeping them completely seperated is greatly diminished. Think about it, do you really believe that with all of the pressure going on in there before the wastegate opens that a ton of gas isn't coming into that y pipe from cylinders 1-4 and going into 2-3 and vice versa? Its all mixing now. We obviously can't be sure what is actually going on inside of the manifold but one of the purposes of twin scroll technology is to stop exhaust from reverting back into other cylinders like it can on a single scroll during valve overlap, which this mod has essentially allowed to be possible, which in my book greatly outweighs any benefits that the ext gate has allowed.

Originally Posted by evokid511
thanks rev, you gottacheck it out its sickkkkkk!! and i dont notice any more lag or any loss in performance at all and it hold boost crazyyyyyy hold 27lbs all day now
I don't mean to rain on your parade or be a pessimist, but in order to prevent the spread of misinformation, it should be known that you are actually not holding 27psi all day. Its not possible, the turbo isn't capable of that even with the wastegate completely sealed off.
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2009 | 10:21 PM
  #83  
RevMoto's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (19)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,041
Likes: 1
From: Boca Raton
Originally Posted by Boltz.
I didn't say it is now a single scroll. I said essentially it is. Obvious the turbine has two seperate volutes leading to the turbine wheel, but the effect of keeping them completely seperated is greatly diminished. Think about it, do you really believe that with all of the pressure going on in there before the wastegate opens that a ton of gas isn't coming into that y pipe from cylinders 1-4 and going into 2-3 and vice versa? Its all mixing now. We obviously can't be sure what is actually going on inside of the manifold but one of the purposes of twin scroll technology is to stop exhaust from reverting back into other cylinders like it can on a single scroll during valve overlap, which this mod has essentially allowed to be possible, which in my book greatly outweighs any benefits that the ext gate has allowed.



I don't mean to rain on your parade or be a pessimist, but in order to prevent the spread of misinformation, it should be known that you are actually not holding 27psi all day. Its not possible, the turbo isn't capable of that even with the wastegate completely sealed off.
If spool up is decreased and boost is being held then we can conclude that the problem is marginal. Also to add to the turbo not being able to hold 27psi I am going to have to disagree as I hold a steady 26psi till redline.
Reply
Old Mar 16, 2009 | 10:26 PM
  #84  
sprx19's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 168
Likes: 0
From: Ohio
I think its really cool and the kid seams to understand that he missed a few things on the first setup. Let him make the second one and fine tune the setup. I'm willing to bet that few of you could even fabricate something like this, let alone do it perfect on the first try.

Innovation is how we move forward.
Reply
Old Mar 17, 2009 | 07:39 AM
  #85  
justa4banger's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,340
Likes: 0
From: underground
Agreed^^,,,,,you should post up a vid of you doin a pull threw the gears to see how well it holds boost
Reply
Old Mar 17, 2009 | 08:02 AM
  #86  
evokid511's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,005
Likes: 0
From: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
yeah trust me its holding 27-26 strong but i just lowered it for safety reasons! and spool is decreased so little its barely noticeable and the cinstant holding of boost is making up for that!! and the seperation in the Y pipe is small there is very little room for mixing...

and yes im going to be making more videos when i get my camera, im at school and forgot my camera home so gotta wait
Reply
Old Mar 17, 2009 | 08:21 AM
  #87  
Fast_Freddie's Avatar
Evolved Member
Veteran: Navy
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,706
Likes: 15
From: Lexington Park, MD
FYI I can't see the pics of this one cause I am at work, however when you refab the new one make sure you pay attention to fluid dynamics because if you have 2 half moons flowing into the wastegate you are essentially cutting the velocity of air flowing into the wastegate big time and in turn the airflow then becomes surface tension, and may then boost creep as it will not have enough velocity to purge the exhaust gas. How can I be sure... I just got done making an O2 dump last weekend where we made a half moon pipe welded to the side of the downpipe and it could not expell enough of the gasses and I got mad boost creep...
Reply
Old Mar 17, 2009 | 08:25 AM
  #88  
evokid511's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,005
Likes: 0
From: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
they werent two half moons... they were two 1 inch pipes which provides enough flow and then they were opened even further so when they met they created the 38mm opening on the wastegate
Reply
Old Mar 17, 2009 | 08:35 AM
  #89  
Fast_Freddie's Avatar
Evolved Member
Veteran: Navy
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,706
Likes: 15
From: Lexington Park, MD
Gotcha, just trying to save you some headache!
Reply
Old Mar 17, 2009 | 08:43 AM
  #90  
Boltz.'s Avatar
Evolved Member
FCOTM Winner
iTrader: (42)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,502
Likes: 0
From: St. Charles, IL
Originally Posted by RevMoto
If spool up is decreased and boost is being held then we can conclude that the problem is marginal. Also to add to the turbo not being able to hold 27psi I am going to have to disagree as I hold a steady 26psi till redline.
Lets see a datalog of 26psi at 7600rpm. Until then......

Also, you said "If spool up is decreased and boost is being held then we can conclude that the problem is marginal." There is no evidence as of yet that he has either decreased spool up or is holding boost well. If you look at one of the videos he posted, he spikes 24psi, instantly drops to 18 psi, then starts climbing to 20+.

Last edited by Boltz.; Mar 17, 2009 at 08:51 AM.
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:57 PM.