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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 07:03 PM
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LICP sludge

I just pulled off my LICP to try to get to the oil return line bolts and there is like a sludge all in the LICP. Not like 1/2 a inch of it or something but there was a lot down by the bottom and in the inlet into the intercooler. What gives?

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I hate starting new post, but i have another question. The oil return tube, there is a little ring/washer that i am not sure which end it goes on. When i pulled the old one off the old turbo to use the bolts i do not know which end it came from. After i started my car up yesterday i was leaking a lot of oil and it seemed to be coming from the oil return, top side. I did not put any RTV on it, just a new gasket. But i still have no idea where that little washer goes. And it fits on either side of the old one with the wear rings on both sides. It just seems like it doesnt belong because there is no indentation for it to be held in place when assembling it.
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 07:06 PM
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Put a catch can in line with your valve cover and the intake pipe, it'll stop the oil from being sucked into the turbo and pushed into the LICP.
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 07:11 PM
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Put a catch can in line with your valve cover and the intake pipe, it'll stop the oil from being sucked into the turbo and pushed into the LICP.
LOL, thanks. I have been woryying and annoyed by so many other things the whole catch can idea was no where to be found in my head.
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 07:25 PM
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check intake side of turbo, if there isn't any oil this could be a sign of turbo seals going.
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 07:39 PM
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Check your FMIC also if your LICP is coated most likely your FMIC is also and could benefit from a good cleaning or replacement with an upgrade.

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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 07:46 PM
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Check your FMIC also if your LICP is coated most likely your FMIC is also and could benefit from a good cleaning or replacement with an upgrade.

Josh
O my FM is poo poo. When i bought the car the individual i bought it from was like, "ya, its never been wrecked." Guarantee he slid into a ditch. Radiator support all busted up, oil cooler bent back, and a random ebay intercooler, among other things.
But as the cleaning suggestion, just pull it off and wash the inside and let it dry?
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by igo4bmx
check intake side of turbo, if there isn't any oil this could be a sign of turbo seals going.
I had the intake tube off the other day when replacing the turbo and it did have some in it. Not as much as the LICP did but you could tell there was some. I wouldnt doubt the seals could be going out at all. The turbo had close to 97K on it. I got bored and decided to throw on the WR while waiting for a Red.
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Fknfstevo
But as the cleaning suggestion, just pull it off and wash the inside and let it dry?
+1.

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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 07:53 PM
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I had the intake tube off the other day when replacing the turbo and it did have some in it. Not as much as the LICP did but you could tell there was some. I wouldnt doubt the seals could be going out at all. The turbo had close to 97K on it. I got bored and decided to throw on the WR while waiting for a Red.
You'd be surprised how much oil gets sucked into that intake though over 97k worth of miles. Even when I got mine with 40k there was a lot of sludge in the intake tube, LICP, and FMIC and I thought the turbo might've been on its way out as well. From my experience though if a turbo starts to leak oil it will be from the turbine side and not the compressor side just with how the seals are set up. I highly doubt the turbo is shot, it just sounds like everything needs to be cleaned up really well. Simple green and warm water works wonders on the oil sludge, but you can't beat a Red either.

Good luck either way.
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Slo_crx1
You'd be surprised how much oil gets sucked into that intake though over 97k worth of miles. Even when I got mine with 40k there was a lot of sludge in the intake tube, LICP, and FMIC and I thought the turbo might've been on its way out as well. From my experience though if a turbo starts to leak oil it will be from the turbine side and not the compressor side just with how the seals are set up. I highly doubt the turbo is shot, it just sounds like everything needs to be cleaned up really well. Simple green and warm water works wonders on the oil sludge, but you can't beat a Red either.

Good luck either way.
Thanks! But would I just spray the Simple Green through the IC and let is soak, wash then let it dry out?
On a side note i am thinking now the red might be too much for my motor.
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You'd be surprised how much oil gets sucked into that intake though over 97k worth of miles. Even when I got mine with 40k there was a lot of sludge in the intake tube, LICP, and FMIC and I thought the turbo might've been on its way out as well. From my experience though if a turbo starts to leak oil it will be from the turbine side and not the compressor side just with how the seals are set up. I highly doubt the turbo is shot, it just sounds like everything needs to be cleaned up really well. Simple green and warm water works wonders on the oil sludge, but you can't beat a Red either.

Good luck either way.
in my experience i had a turbo setup on another car where the seals were wearing out- intake side didn't pull from the crankcase.
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by igo4bmx
in my experience i had a turbo setup on another car where the seals were wearing out- intake side didn't pull from the crankcase.
I added a new question to OP if anyone wants to take a gander at it.
Well it can be other factors, open filter, undertray, and what not. I just put in a set of EvoDave lights with the duct, and due to the previous owner ruining the Rad support, in order for it to fit(the headlight with the duct) i had to remove the IC sprayer tank. So now it is just Road->Air->Filter.
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by igo4bmx
in my experience i had a turbo setup on another car where the seals were wearing out- intake side didn't pull from the crankcase.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. The exhaust wheel (turbine side) has an oil seal that resembles a piston ring (think those total seal rings that overlap), whereas the compressor side has a 360* seal in the thrust bearing. I've personally never seen oil leak from the compressor side, always the turbine side, in my 10 years of playing with various turbos. Usually it's caused my coking in the CHRA or too high of an oil pressure, or just from being plain worn out. If on your other turbo setup the compressor inlet would not create a suction that pretty much means you had no flow out of it and had much bigger problems than just a seal lol.

The intake tube setup going to the valve cover tends to work like a slashcut that I've used in the past on turbo cars to evacuate crank case pressure. Under boost the air being sucked into the turbo past the inlet creates a vacuum effect on it, and helps to "suck out" the crank case pressure (and oil vapor with it). Think of it like opening just one window about 3 inches in your car while a lit cigarette is inside, traveling down the highway. The vacuum created by the air rushing past the open window creates a vacuum that sucks the smoke out of the window.

Sorry if I took it a bit too far, I'm really tired and starting to ramble lol.
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 08:35 PM
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I hate starting new post, but i have another question. The oil return tube, there is a little ring/washer that i am not sure which end it goes on. When i pulled the old one off the old turbo to use the bolts i do not know which end it came from. After i started my car up yesterday i was leaking a lot of oil and it seemed to be coming from the oil return, top side. I did not put any RTV on it, just a new gasket. But i still have no idea where that little washer goes. And it fits on either side of the old one with the wear rings on both sides. It just seems like it doesnt belong because there is no indentation for it to be held in place when assembling it.
Thanks for the help in advance all!
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Old Mar 19, 2009 | 08:34 AM
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If it's a copper crush washer it's supposed to go on the oil feed on the top (not the return). There should be two of those crush washers total on the oil feed line at the turbo, and 2 at the head. The sequence for each would be: bolt (the one with the holes in it), crush washer, oil line, crush washer, and then into the head/turbo.
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