*Alot of questions!! For generous people, and those who enjoy answering :P

First, Im sorry for the annoying article as I know that Im creating the zillionth thread regarding this civil war.. The problem is that I did not get what I really needed from the previous threads :S or couldn't find'em!!

I have an IX, 1000% stock.. I have a good budget for tuning, but I dont really know what to do due to hesiation!! I have heard amazing stories about both turbos, and every time I decide on one, I end up moving toward the other..

1- Its obvious that the BBK will spool faster(just like the stock turbo), but what about the red??? When does it start, and what rpm is the max boost at??

2- Ive heard that the red can be effective upto 39 psi.. Is that true?????? What are the performance figures for this number?? Even Approximately!

3- Im in UAE, and here we have 98 fuel.. What HP/TQ would u expect on a proper 2.0-litre FP Red setup??? and what boost will that power be at??

4- Other than spooling issues, are there any drawbacks, positives over each other???

5- If I include Meth kit to the setup, how much will I hit in each??

6- Which one of these is superior in producing more torque???

7- THE CRAZIEST QUESTION: WHICH ONE WOULD YOU FINALLY RECOMMEND?? WHY???

ThanX n Advance


Waleed.

 

The Red and BBK Full are meant for two different purposes.

It seems you're looking for more power... the Red is the turbo you want. It's proven to run 9's.

As far as spool, my Red hits 30psi at 4100rpm.

That's really all I can answer.

 

it really depends on what you want out of the car and what you want to do.

autocross?
drag racing?
highway monster?

do you great spool up and transient response between shifts?
do you want to most power?

these are questions you need to ask yourself.

both are great turbos, but they are good for different things...

 

The car is my daily driver.. I want to enjoy its power while keeping in mind that its power/torque curve to be as wide/balanced as possible(not high end power only)..

Yes, I like power.. But Im more confused now.. Why are the "completely different"????

Im not a dragracer or anything.. If i would race, it would be just from a running start(very occasionally)

Could someone give me a good explanation please???


ThanX again

 

Could u please let me know ur setup?? and ur performance figures please??

Also, why dont u go for more boost?? What are the risks/drawbacks???

 

Here's my setup:

FPRed
Kelford 272s
GSC Beehive valve springs/ti retainers
ETS UICP/LICP
Buschur MAF pipe/filter
ETS 3.5" wide tank FMIC
Hallman Pro MBC@30psi
PPI ported/coated exhaust manifold
EPM O2 dump
Walbro 255
TurboXS TBE
ARP head studs
PTE 1000cc injectors
Mellon Tune

... and a bunch of other stuff in my sig.

I haven't dynoed my car yet and my tune isn't finished either (I ran into issues with my laptop and EvoScan/ECUFlash), but according to DLL as my car sits I'm putting down 460awhp/381awtq.

Not going for any more boost because I'm running on straight 92oct pump gas. On top of that, my boost gauge doesn't read past 28psi (Defi Link) so even 30psi is kinda retarded.

I don't see any drawbacks at all.

There's always risks involved when you want to push your car to the edge (or even beyond what it does from the factory). Just make sure you use good parts and have a PERFECT tune (I recommend Mellon personally).

 

drag=fp red, especially on meth and ur 98 oct.
autocross=bbk

 

ThanX alot man.. I guess u have some really good numbers

What about the curve(as u can guess).. Do u feel it flat?? I mean, do u feel the power from 4000 all the way to the end?? and whats ur new max rpm??

If u were running on 98 like ours, would u feel a difference???

Would u use a meth kit???

How long did it take u to get the red?? Is it true that u have to wait for 2 months??

U were the first to tell me that both turbos are different; Could u PLEASE explain more??

I really need more information about these turbos and I think u can help :P

ThanX n Advance again


Waleed.

 

They are different because one would be ideal for DD and the other FP red would make a good turbo for a drag car/ highway car. Do you want to make big numbers if so FP red is where you want to be at. If you want a compromise then you rock a BBK full.

 

MORE BOOST= BAD unless done right, i.e. having the right parts to support high PSI. If you need more hlep on that you should hit up the newb threads they'll give you the 411 on all the basics.

 

took me bout 2 months thru buschur...if u want big power id def. use the meth...the red shines @ 27+ psi....search my name and u can see the graph from cbrd about the torque...i think it peeked at like 4200-4400 rpm

 

On 91 with the Red and mods in my sig I did 435/365 at 25 psi with full boost at 4100 and pulls all the way to redline. Max hp at 6800rpm

on E85 at 29psi I did 519/426 and stopped because I am on stock bottom end. Did not want to exceed 425ftlbs on stock block. Everyone chatters about whp, but I am more concerned with torque on a stock block

BBK will be better on pump and Red better at higher psi on any sort of race fuel, but like every single person ahs indicated...it all depends on what YOU want. I love my Red, but at Streets of Willow, the lag in 2 turns is mildly irritating due to it being such a tight track

 

ThanX alot guys for ur inputs!!

Another question: How much are the gains of the BBK over the stock 9??? I mean, is it worth paying around 1800+shipping for this turbo????

 

Answers in bold.

A lot of this info I found just surfing this forum. The info is all there, just gotta spend some time digging for it.

 

who has autox their RED? did you feel the spool up made it difficult??