HTA Green vs. BBK
We can suggest getting CBRD to get a BBKed evo an set it up for some drag but its not what this turbo is designed for in the first place right? If CBRD wants to set something up to prove a point that IT CAN be a great drag turbo than more power to the BBK and CBRD. Honestly if they want to get large numbers of this turbo to be sold and they want the hype of the RED than their going to have to cater to the common evo owner. If not their turbo stays where its at, a great road racing, street turbo geared to a CERTAIN customer with specific intentions or wants of a product just like the RED customers.
Our limited market has sold right around 200 bbks since October of 2008
. The US market is about 40% of our business as the rest of the world doesn't seem to care about drag racing. Cb
i just made an agreement to get the BBK into the hands of a shop that is very versed in the ole 1/4 mile arena...
so you should see some results in the next 2-3 weeks
cheers
cb
Look I am not any turbo guru thats for sure, still new to this game. Why are we even comparing apples to oranges here? I mean the CBRD are supposably suggesting installing a RED over their own BBK for a drag car right? In my mind that doesn't make the RED superior cause everybodies gettin better 1/4 mile times. Numbers are numbers in my book and power curves are exactly that as well! So what makes one turbo superior??? Nada, to each his own. A BBK maybe more suited for me cause I want a faster spool and broad power curve n for a little drag maybe a track day and the street. The RED is suited for X cause he wants to get slammed in his seat at 4k rpm and probably very good 1/4 mile times with high hp numbers. Maybe X likes to shift early and doesn't mind a bit of lag as oppose to someone who wants instant spool. Just my o2 take it with a grain of salt and purchase a turbo with a purpose for which your gonna use it for!
Americans need to stop being so obsessed with 1/4 track times. The driver and track conditions will make far more difference than those between all these stockframe turbo choices.
Carlos
Speaking of this topic, I spent about 10 minutes speaking with Robert Yourg from FP wich responded every single question I had regarding the HTA Green, I know the flow, the PSI and the options that goes with it..
I see a huge lack of information on the BBK lite. I spent several hours in the last 2-3 weeks looking for a DD streeatble turbo that would run on 91oct but I am very hesitant to try a turbo that I am not familiar with(BBK Lite).
Yes I have seen this before:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ve...lable-now.html
As of today neither the CBRD website nor other websites are laying out all the data. I found many conflicting post like:
Price for BBK lite being $695 and in other places $795
What waste gate PSI is this turbo coming with? their website tells you nothing
where are the drag strip results?None
Where is a video showing the "fantastic spool up? None
What about the flow?, I heard many many versions from people, some say 46LBS/Min, others 48LB/MIN.
How is the boost creep? Typical turbos with superfast spool up boost creep like ****.
I need to know a whole lot more about this turbo and certainly there is not much(I seen all the post on this forum and other forums like the NORCAL evo etc).
CBRD, We need pictures of the porting services. Can you put a bigger Waste Gate flapper? In this competitive market any minor detail can make a difference. I want a perfect match for my car, no more no less. I am matching my injectors, my spool up and my boost exactly for the conditions that I drive my car , this would even determine if I am keeping the stock intercooler.. I would like more details.
This topic should be FPwhite 47-48lBS vs BBK. It looks like the FP White with a 68mm is a better match than the FP HTA green(54LB-min).
This is the type of confusion I am getting over and over, look at this following link, the person who purchase the BBK Lite says that the spool up is now worse however CBRD states the BBK Lite spools up better than stock:
http://www.evolve.ae/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=6742
Quote
"Driving impressions - although the DLL says I'm hitting peak torque just as quick as my stock turbo, the BBK Lite in fact feels like it spools a teensy little slower than stock. But not by much - maybe a coule hundred RPMs?! Thing is, when it hits it hits hard and fast!!! "
Carlos
I see a huge lack of information on the BBK lite. I spent several hours in the last 2-3 weeks looking for a DD streeatble turbo that would run on 91oct but I am very hesitant to try a turbo that I am not familiar with(BBK Lite).
Yes I have seen this before:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ve...lable-now.html
As of today neither the CBRD website nor other websites are laying out all the data. I found many conflicting post like:
Price for BBK lite being $695 and in other places $795
What waste gate PSI is this turbo coming with? their website tells you nothing
where are the drag strip results?None
Where is a video showing the "fantastic spool up? None
What about the flow?, I heard many many versions from people, some say 46LBS/Min, others 48LB/MIN.
How is the boost creep? Typical turbos with superfast spool up boost creep like ****.
I need to know a whole lot more about this turbo and certainly there is not much(I seen all the post on this forum and other forums like the NORCAL evo etc).
CBRD, We need pictures of the porting services. Can you put a bigger Waste Gate flapper? In this competitive market any minor detail can make a difference. I want a perfect match for my car, no more no less. I am matching my injectors, my spool up and my boost exactly for the conditions that I drive my car , this would even determine if I am keeping the stock intercooler.. I would like more details.
This topic should be FPwhite 47-48lBS vs BBK. It looks like the FP White with a 68mm is a better match than the FP HTA green(54LB-min).
This is the type of confusion I am getting over and over, look at this following link, the person who purchase the BBK Lite says that the spool up is now worse however CBRD states the BBK Lite spools up better than stock:
http://www.evolve.ae/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=6742
Quote
"Driving impressions - although the DLL says I'm hitting peak torque just as quick as my stock turbo, the BBK Lite in fact feels like it spools a teensy little slower than stock. But not by much - maybe a coule hundred RPMs?! Thing is, when it hits it hits hard and fast!!! "
Carlos
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The only thing that has been established in this thread is that we all love pancakes.
There just isn't enough information out there about the HTAgreen to compare the two turbos to each other. Until we have more information and #'s to compare the BBK to this is all simply speculation. Both companies are great to deal with and have A+ products that perform.
There just isn't enough information out there about the HTAgreen to compare the two turbos to each other. Until we have more information and #'s to compare the BBK to this is all simply speculation. Both companies are great to deal with and have A+ products that perform.
Any good complement of parts with the right turbo has the potential of being a monster in any venue. One brother on here has already stated that either you want it to come on earlier or later as there is a give-and-take in any situation.
I'm the only one of my family that has gone the Import route and it kills my uncles here in south Texas when I pull up with my 4-cylinder EVO and get on the two-step. I have to confess that I want something that I can run of E85 and smoke nearly everything on the street or strip - PERIOD. Any good complement of parts with the right turbo has the potential of being a monster in any venue. One brother on here has already stated that either you want it to come on earlier or later as there is a give-and-take in any situation.
Any good complement of parts with the right turbo has the potential of being a monster in any venue. One brother on here has already stated that either you want it to come on earlier or later as there is a give-and-take in any situation.
I see a huge lack of information on the BBK lite. I spent several hours in the last 2-3 weeks looking for a DD streeatble turbo that would run on 91oct but I am very hesitant to try a turbo that I am not familiar with(BBK Lite).
Price for BBK lite being $695 and in other places $795 You're looking at old threads with preliminary prices, check their website for current info
What waste gate PSI is this turbo coming with? their website tells you nothingIt comes with the standard IX actuator, mine holds 25psi solid to redline
where are the drag strip results?I posted my track times in a couple different threads
Where is a video showing the "fantastic spool up?I could make an in-car video, but it's been said over and over that the lite spools as fast as stock, if not a slight bit faster. I see 25psi by a hair over 3k in 3rd. If I floor it at 2k in 5th, I see over 5psi INSTANTLY, and 10psi by about 2200, and full boost by under 3k
What about the flow?, I heard many many versions from people, some say 46LBS/Min, others 48LB/MIN.compressor flow can only be estimated from the wheel size and the power people are making on the BBK or the FP turbos. Niether company has the resources to have such a low production turbo tested to plot an actual compressor map. This has been stated by Robert and Chad on multiple threads as well.
How is the boost creep? Typical turbos with superfast spool up boost creep like ****.ZERO creep. I ran mine at gate pressure initially, held there fine.
I need to know a whole lot more about this turbo and certainly there is not much(I seen all the post on this forum and other forums like the NORCAL evo etc).You had to have missed several threads to be asking these questions
This topic should be FPwhite 47-48lBS vs BBK. It looks like the FP White with a 68mm is a better match than the FP HTA green(54LB-min).
Price for BBK lite being $695 and in other places $795 You're looking at old threads with preliminary prices, check their website for current info
What waste gate PSI is this turbo coming with? their website tells you nothingIt comes with the standard IX actuator, mine holds 25psi solid to redline
where are the drag strip results?I posted my track times in a couple different threads
Where is a video showing the "fantastic spool up?I could make an in-car video, but it's been said over and over that the lite spools as fast as stock, if not a slight bit faster. I see 25psi by a hair over 3k in 3rd. If I floor it at 2k in 5th, I see over 5psi INSTANTLY, and 10psi by about 2200, and full boost by under 3k
What about the flow?, I heard many many versions from people, some say 46LBS/Min, others 48LB/MIN.compressor flow can only be estimated from the wheel size and the power people are making on the BBK or the FP turbos. Niether company has the resources to have such a low production turbo tested to plot an actual compressor map. This has been stated by Robert and Chad on multiple threads as well.
How is the boost creep? Typical turbos with superfast spool up boost creep like ****.ZERO creep. I ran mine at gate pressure initially, held there fine.
I need to know a whole lot more about this turbo and certainly there is not much(I seen all the post on this forum and other forums like the NORCAL evo etc).You had to have missed several threads to be asking these questions
This topic should be FPwhite 47-48lBS vs BBK. It looks like the FP White with a 68mm is a better match than the FP HTA green(54LB-min).