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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 04:54 PM
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25psi Wastegate on 30psi

I am having the worst problems in controlling boost. Who all is running 30-32psi spike with the FP 25psi Wastegate? What boost controller are you using? I may borrow a MBC to see if my over boosting is because of the EBC. I have minimal preload on the 25psi and still spiking 35psi with my EBC set to 30psi. wtf... Is anyone having problems running the 25psi wastegate and maintaining a 30-32psi spike?

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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 04:56 PM
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I'm not having any problems. Running a Hallman MBC.
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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 05:09 PM
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The Pro Rx?
how much preload do you have?
How many lbs are you spiking?
What turbo?

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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 06:50 PM
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CO VR4 had an FP Red, same as you do, I think that he still does.
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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 07:08 PM
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Blackster: To rule out the boost controller...eliminate it from the loop temporarily . I mean disconnect it for test purposes(Don´t toss it in the trash just yet !).

Run a length of rubber hose directly from the WGA nipple to the nipple on the compressor housing discharge tube. Turn the WG actuator rod out to its loosest setting(Loosen it to where it just slides on and off the pivot arm on the flapper valve.)

Essentially you´ll be starting off at base WG pressure. I guess that base on your setup will be around 22-25# due to the 25# actuator. Regardless, though, note the PSI indicated on your boost gauge at the loosest actuator rod setting. Now, shorten the actuator rod by rotating it one full turn and then retesting(You know the drill.). Do it over and over and retest the boost in 4th gear each time.

Thus, testing with the EBC out of the loop you can eliminate or confirm it as a potential cause of your problem. PM me if need be as I am old and have nothing else to do with my retirement time.

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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 07:18 PM
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Ya I will be doing that tomorrow. I'm 100percent positive it is the EBC. I had no problem on my stock turbo running the 25psi gate on 30psi.

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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 07:25 PM
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How were you controlling boost when you ran the stock turbo/FP 25# combo? Was it with a MBC?
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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 07:27 PM
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yes a turbosmart. I'll prob get a Hallman Pro RX once i get rid of the EBC.
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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 07:31 PM
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You may have too much preload, standard 3 full turns doesn't apply to the red in most cases. Zero to one half turn should be fine on the red.
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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 07:39 PM
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It´ll be a little different now with the Red vs. the stock IX turbo. Both use the 10.5 turbine housing, however due to larger turbine wheel on the red stuffed into the same dinky housing, turbine inlet pressures between the IX turbo and the Red are bound to be way different.

Higher turbine inlet pressure on the Red results in higher seat pressure at the flapper valve. This higher seat pressure causes the flapper to crack earlier and lift off its seat more noticeably at the relatively low preload levels that you say you are running.

This peculiar pressure fluctuation dynamic may be fooling your EBC if you think about it. I´d like to explain more how your EBC might be getting fooled, but I am being kicked off my computer at home.



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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 08:13 PM
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Eliminate that EBC right away. I am such an advocate of a simple Hallman MBC over these complicated, easy-to-fail, problematic EBCs. Hasn't let any of us down at STM yet
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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 08:56 PM
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^ I have never had a Hallman, how do they hold boost out the top compared to a EBC? I know with my turbosmart and forge It dropped off 3psi more than the EBC did. I will be going Hallman Pro RX I believe

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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sparky
It´ll be a little different now with the Red vs. the stock IX turbo. Both use the 10.5 turbine housing, however due to larger turbine wheel on the red stuffed into the same dinky housing, turbine inlet pressures between the IX turbo and the Red are bound to be way different.

Higher turbine inlet pressure on the Red results in higher seat pressure at the flapper valve. This higher seat pressure causes the flapper to crack earlier and lift off its seat more noticeably at the relatively low preload levels that you say you are running.

This peculiar pressure fluctuation dynamic may be fooling your EBC if you think about it. I´d like to explain more how your EBC might be getting fooled, but I am being kicked off my computer at home.

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The "crack" phenomenon also affects MBCs, although not as markedly. You can still see it on your datalogs, though.


The Pro Rx?
how much preload do you have?
How many lbs are you spiking?
What turbo?
The Pro RX is correct. I have a spare new one, if you need one.
I started with maximum preload. I've not gotten around to trying lesser amounts of preload yet...
I was describing a RED, just as you were.
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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 09:18 PM
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^ Send me a pm with price shipped to 98277 and can I get some pics? I kinda wanted a purple one!

You on a 30psi spike?
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Old Nov 17, 2009 | 06:08 AM
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EBC's are more complicated to setup but I wouldnt give up on it yet. Just follow the instructions and you should be good. I have used all the EBC's and have no issues. Even the ultra complicated Apexi AVC-R and I have gotten them all to work great just by doing what the manual told me to do. If you want to sell your junk HKS cheap let me know.
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