fp black on pump vs fp red on pump
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fp black on pump vs fp red on pump
has anyone swapped the red for the black , and has tuned on pump 93 octane , if u have please share info on how the fp black is on pump
spool , lag , hp etc... and if u r satisfied ??
spool , lag , hp etc... and if u r satisfied ??
lol nobody has done it yet otherwise you would see a nice thread on it i know my friend on here will have his installed in two weeks with results mine will not be dont till feb its looking like most people are going to run it at 35+ psi but im sure after christmas we will have plenty of results as most are saving towards presents and black friday lol
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Going to bigger turbos, while limited to a low octane fuel is always a tough one. The octane will limit the boost pressure you can run. The bigger turbo allows you to run more and more boost. If you are octane limited, you can't run more boost.
Boost for boost, a bigger turbo only has advantages over a smaller turbo in that it is less restrictive on the exhaust side (larger turbine housing, turbine, etc), and the compressor is more efficient at creating boost. Both of the above are significant but is the black less restrictive on the turbine side than a Red?
A GT40 at 14 psi will make more power than a stock IX turbo at 14 psi. The engine breathes much better cuz the GT40 will probably have a big header and turbine housing. But there won't be a massive difference in power all else being equal.
If you're on 91 octane, and limited to running boost of around 25 psi, the Black is likely to not be significantly more efficient than the Red on the compressor side, and on the exhaust side I doubt the black flows much greater air flow. So I suspect a Red versus Black on 91 octane at 25 psi would be an overall difference of less than 10 hp. Plus the Red will spool sooner
Boost for boost, a bigger turbo only has advantages over a smaller turbo in that it is less restrictive on the exhaust side (larger turbine housing, turbine, etc), and the compressor is more efficient at creating boost. Both of the above are significant but is the black less restrictive on the turbine side than a Red?
A GT40 at 14 psi will make more power than a stock IX turbo at 14 psi. The engine breathes much better cuz the GT40 will probably have a big header and turbine housing. But there won't be a massive difference in power all else being equal.
If you're on 91 octane, and limited to running boost of around 25 psi, the Black is likely to not be significantly more efficient than the Red on the compressor side, and on the exhaust side I doubt the black flows much greater air flow. So I suspect a Red versus Black on 91 octane at 25 psi would be an overall difference of less than 10 hp. Plus the Red will spool sooner
Last edited by crcain; Nov 23, 2009 at 08:21 AM.
Did them both within a reasonably short period of time on the same car (mine) while keeping as much as possible the same.They both did right at about 500whp on 93 and 25psi, slight advantage going to the black model in power, slight advantage going to the red on spool. Differences were slight.
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I have, does that count? Did them both within a reasonably short period of time on the same car (mine) while keeping as much as possible the same.
They both did right at about 500whp on 93 and 25psi, slight advantage going to the black model in power, slight advantage going to the red on spool. Differences were slight.
Did them both within a reasonably short period of time on the same car (mine) while keeping as much as possible the same.They both did right at about 500whp on 93 and 25psi, slight advantage going to the black model in power, slight advantage going to the red on spool. Differences were slight.
I have, does that count? Did them both within a reasonably short period of time on the same car (mine) while keeping as much as possible the same.
They both did right at about 500whp on 93 and 25psi, slight advantage going to the black model in power, slight advantage going to the red on spool. Differences were slight.
Did them both within a reasonably short period of time on the same car (mine) while keeping as much as possible the same.They both did right at about 500whp on 93 and 25psi, slight advantage going to the black model in power, slight advantage going to the red on spool. Differences were slight.
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I have, does that count? Did them both within a reasonably short period of time on the same car (mine) while keeping as much as possible the same.
They both did right at about 500whp on 93 and 25psi, slight advantage going to the black model in power, slight advantage going to the red on spool. Differences were slight.
Did them both within a reasonably short period of time on the same car (mine) while keeping as much as possible the same.They both did right at about 500whp on 93 and 25psi, slight advantage going to the black model in power, slight advantage going to the red on spool. Differences were slight.
I have, does that count? Did them both within a reasonably short period of time on the same car (mine) while keeping as much as possible the same.
They both did right at about 500whp on 93 and 25psi, slight advantage going to the black model in power, slight advantage going to the red on spool. Differences were slight.
Did them both within a reasonably short period of time on the same car (mine) while keeping as much as possible the same.They both did right at about 500whp on 93 and 25psi, slight advantage going to the black model in power, slight advantage going to the red on spool. Differences were slight.
I have, does that count? Did them both within a reasonably short period of time on the same car (mine) while keeping as much as possible the same.
They both did right at about 500whp on 93 and 25psi, slight advantage going to the black model in power, slight advantage going to the red on spool. Differences were slight.
Did them both within a reasonably short period of time on the same car (mine) while keeping as much as possible the same.They both did right at about 500whp on 93 and 25psi, slight advantage going to the black model in power, slight advantage going to the red on spool. Differences were slight.
^ Well I agree, but I think the Black will stand for itself here shortly. The Black is/will be a sick *** turbo on the right setups. Having a larger compressor wheel will def help out. Most of us are able to push the Red to the limits of the compressor wheel. The Black is designed to flow at a higher rate and operate more efficient. Robert did a great job at that!
Bottom line for Black on pump...
MAKE EVERYTHING FLOW BETTER AND IT WILL OUT PERFORM THE RED! Certain modifications will make the compressor wheel come to life
Mikey
Bottom line for Black on pump...
MAKE EVERYTHING FLOW BETTER AND IT WILL OUT PERFORM THE RED! Certain modifications will make the compressor wheel come to life
Mikey