Seriously its like AL Does "AMAZING" things for the evo and people start getting jeaous and bash him... what ever his number speak for them selves and defend him. Lets stay on topic Works vs. Dynoflash theory of tuning... I hate when threads get off topic especially when you go bashing venders.

 

If you have any information on this "Godlike" stuff please point me in that direction or is it your just amazed that someone tunes timing/boost/fuel on a car? BTW Als "Godlike" Willie Wonka tuning machine can be purchased mailorder for like 2K anyone else wanna get into the tuner market?

 

I wish WORKS would provide their comments here in this debate. I am very interested in this topic as I am thinking about reflashing but haven't decided which vendor to go to yet.

 

Oh comon dont rip on me now... always seem to be trying to jump in and start a fight. Lets stay on topic, maybe I went a little to far but, u know what i ment! I'm just amazed, it really does pruve it self. I'm sorry for the "Godlike" comment... I'll edit it to say amazed.

 

wow. unreal, honestly.


you're not going to see a response by works, vishnu, or any other self respecting vendor and/or competitor, because everybody knows what al is about.

you know, al, i wondered for awhile if becoming a vendor, along with the corresponding switch to a new identity, might mean that you'd try changing your ways, and that you were ready to give up your status as The Biggest ***** on the Internet, but i suppose it doesn't.

speaking of digging up old threads, not more than a couple of months ago, you were using the works reflash, pimping the hell out of it, and listing them as a sponsor in your sig while saying things like:

"...I was playing with my new toys - the Works reflash and the Works thottle body (throtle body kicks major butt)
I was able to crack a 518 wheel HP pass on my stock EVO VIII block and heads
unleaded gas, 22 psi of boost, 50 shot nos"

"It was making 436 wheel hp on race fuel and maxed out as is
I pulled 400 hp on regular tune and 22 psi right before I sprayed this run
Basically - I run the 400 hp tune every day"

" ...the typical user would get like 30 - 40 whp gain on the reflash and trottle body alone.
Only super nuts like me need to think about adding in extra adjustments - you only pick up a couple of additional hp and you need a dyno "



but now that you're competing with them it's:

"I wonder how we can run richer a/fs and make 10% more power - OH - maybe its becuase we tune to match the individual car.
Through the mail flashes only work when you use them for marginal, modest gains. You can't reach higher performance levels when tuning on the generic level "

even while you sell the exact same kind of detuned mail order option:

"Our through the mail flash is a very mild tune which only yields 10 - 15 whp and is very safe. Its not nearly as potent as the on the car individual tune - so we DISCOUNT it to the low price of $225 which we think is fair considering it makes about half as much hp as the regular on the car dyno flash."

fair enough. decent product at a decent price. and yet somehow you think comparing your dyno tuned setups to everyone elses generic maps is a valid comparison. right. once again, you lose all credibility.

why not compare apples to apples, al? compare YOUR mail order setup to works or vishnu's, and you've got a pretty good comparison. compare your custom tune with one of vishnu's. use otherwise stock or cars of similarly lightly modded ones. he's got plenty of samples around, i'm sure you do too. is that too complicated for you? do you just not understand? instead of spewing insults and meaningless challenges, why can't you learn to act like a professional?

you know, i swear that seeing your daily drivel on i-club/nasioc was one of the reasons i decided not to buy a wrx. what joy to find you here once i bought my evo. i swore i'd never address you directly, but i've pretty much had it with biting my tongue. the long and short of it is that i, and many other people, would never, EVER do business with you or ANYONE you align and associate yourself with. your never-ending, consistently disgusting attitude toward others is so utterly inexcusable, it taints the reputation of everything you choose to support or praise.

i've never heard anything but good about pruven, from anyone. but the fact that they support you and your BS in any way takes them off my list of companies i'll ever do business with. works and their support of you in the past made me suspect them as well, but maybe they're doing something right since your attitude toward them has fallen so rapidly. the simple fact is, like many people on this board and the rest of the planet, the less i have in common with you, the better. i'm kinda bummed that i even drive the same car, i thought i'd avoided that.

but of course, to you and your creepy little throng of yes-men and sycophants, that just means i'm slow and jealous, and just another "hater bashing on brotha al yo wassup!", and i know i'm going hear all about it, but i really don't give a crap.

simply put, i'm just not really that impressed by you or your results. here in san francisco, they call boys like you "size queens". look it up. they generally don't impress anyone except other size queens, and neither do you and your little buddies.

rock on.

 

LIke i said earlier... why not have a tuning competition? That will solve all these Difficulites, again let the numbers talk!

 

Well, if you are gonna bash Al for bashing somebody else, doesn't that put you in the same category? Also, as far as "yes-men and sycophants" goes, Al has no corner in that market

Hey, everybody goes for the hype and the superlative when describing and praising their latest fad or tuner. I'm pretty skeptical of all this since I've "been there and done that" with a number of cars in the past and tried several panaceas and snake oil miracle cures. I'd say based on my experience, that all the tuners and vendors are very proud of their products and some of them are very derisive of their competition.

Al has been tuning cars seriously for some time and he's spent lots of money and time to find out what has worked or not in his experience. I'll give him credit for achieving good results and good numbers with his cars in the dyno and in the track. I also think that as you say he presents "fair enough. decent product at a decent price".

If I can arrange it, I'm going to try his product. I think he makes sense and I'm willing to trust his knowledge. We'll see what happens and I'll report on the results afterwards.

Peace

 

Good luck in arranging that.... If I was a tuner I would not get sucked into that kind of thing. Why do it? all the tuners are already competing against each other and all the enthusiasts. Take a look at their websites, etc. All the tuners have project cars already, they are always working on them and competing with them on the track as well as on the dyno (at least it looks that way), they are always conducting tests and publishing results. just take a look, do a search and you can decide already who is the winner.... for this afternoon..

 

I dont know i just thought it would be a good competition, on the SAME car. But I agree with what you said.

 

Yeah, that's cool to come up with ideas.... I guess I'm sort of a realist and though I'd present my take of it

 

No hard feelings i just dont want to get in the cross fire. I just want this Bashing to stop (with all venders). They all do have great products that are pruven and I give them credit. I'm from the North East Its like supporting a sport team I guess to an extent. If I had all the venders avaliable I would try a few of them. I got a dynoflash and i'm very pleased with it thats all. No bashing to other venders becuase i dont know how they are, I say again, let the numbers speek.

 

Let me correct a few things Al has spent bookoos of time opening his wallet and Having OTHERS tune for him- since he has antied up all his money to pay others and made an investment in a flash machine he is now willing to test his tooning prowess on YOUR car. Als mode of constant excuse for his exotic priced import cars is I can make my car faster than any 5K kit car. His Subaru was amazingly expensive yet got raped by a 4K TXS kit car all day until the end were he went for broke turned the wick up and blasted a high 11 @ 124 What do you mean arrange it? Like as in pony up the measley $500? Al leaves tons of info out of his posts like hes on his 2nd fully built reinforced block running RACE GAS everyday and still has to look at zo6 tailights- somehow yall swallow it down that his $60K EVO with a different motor will translate into a supercar for you at a $500 investment All yall are doing is financing his car

 

Oh no, no hard feelings at all... I understand where you are coming from. The truth is though, that some vendors do sell products that are better than others. Also, there are vendors who'll sell stuff that absolutely will not perform as represented (and don't think that the big names are exempt).

Peace

 

MP5 stop the bashing... use your time to make posts that help everyone. Its kind of childish if you ask me. 2 wrongs dont make a right didnt your mommy tell you that? Comon grow up and make some productive posts. I know you have great ideas, and dont take this the wrong way i'm not bashing you.

Thanks

P.S. Your picture is scary!

 

I dream of a tuner challange ! Count me in if one ever comes to be !