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Old May 2, 2010 | 02:29 PM
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I think this is an interesting discussion. I linked a pic of the combustion chamber from Headway Performance and see it is much different. It says it is from the EVO so I assume this is how they shape out. Why is this shape so much different then what Head Games is posting?

it's the stock chamber, de-shrouded. And what looks like a monster valve, the seat on the intake comes out to the deck if I am seeing that right! They make cutters to do the de-shrouding, or it might be apart of their valve job cutter. We have one that does the same with a oversize valve. We just don't leave it that way, as there are alot of sharp edges left..kind of like this picture..every edge seen is sharp.
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Old May 2, 2010 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 240Z TwinTurbo
I think this is an interesting discussion. I linked a pic of the combustion chamber from Headway Performance and see it is much different. It says it is from the EVO so I assume this is how they shape out. Why is this shape so much different then what Head Games is posting?


Don't think that a finished CC. My head and Ted's are both from Headway and niether looked like that. I'll find some pics...
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Old May 2, 2010 | 06:13 PM
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What was the CNC head that Dyno Flash Al put on his car and it actually lost power??
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Old May 2, 2010 | 06:14 PM
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Don't think that a finished CC. My head and Ted's are both from Headway and niether looked like that. I'll find some pics...
Thanks Walker that would be great...Jim
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Old May 2, 2010 | 06:28 PM
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Is there anything you can do when working the CC that could affect spark and how well it works?

I'm not actually referring to your heads but its just a general CC related questions.

Thanks.
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Old May 2, 2010 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Colt4g63
What was the CNC head that Dyno Flash Al put on his car and it actually lost power??
headway if i remember correctly....

EDIT..heres the link https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-hta88-11.html

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Old May 2, 2010 | 06:39 PM
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I thought it was but wasn't 100% sure.
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Old May 2, 2010 | 06:47 PM
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Very nice. I do minor port and polish on heads and never touched the bowls because I didn't want to chance hitting the guides.

That pic of Headway's head seems unfinished. The bowl is not even smoothed out.
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Old May 2, 2010 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Colt4g63
What was the CNC head that Dyno Flash Al put on his car and it actually lost power??
If the turbo is already wound out and a high PR situation exists on the exhaust side, a ported head cannot net you any more power. In fact, it could hurt you (as Al discovered).


Originally Posted by 240Z TwinTurbo
I linked a pic of the combustion chamber from Headway Performance and see it is much different.
It's definitely unfinished.
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Old May 2, 2010 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by reactionevo8
headway if i remember correctly....
i thought it was a cosworth head.
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Old May 2, 2010 | 08:56 PM
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There is a video of it online maybe on his youtube vids. It was a headway head. And most people that go to the extent of getting head work done are going to be running turbos to there max and pushing limits etc. IMO if a head is done right you will gain power, not ever lose it.... I know im pushing my 850R decently at 40-41psi and i seen gains from the work i had Head Games perform on my head.
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Old May 2, 2010 | 09:18 PM
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agreed...we have never lost power from a head..it would make the power at a lower boost level if we are at the breaking point of where the turbo makes power at. If you lose power, you have other issues going on there.
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Old May 2, 2010 | 09:19 PM
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If the turbo compressor is at its limit, a ported head isn't going to magically suck more air out of it - simple physics.

If the turbine side is in a high PR situation, a ported head isn't going to magically push more air through it - simple physics. Anything that facilitates reversion in such instances (e.g. big head, big cams, etc,.) can decrease power. This is basic FI knowledge.

Anyway, this isn't a discussion about Headway, their CNC work, or their track record in competitive racing. It's about Headgames' CC procedure. Carry on...
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Old May 3, 2010 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Colt4g63
Dave how about you post those results of the comparison you told me about?? Might shed some more light on how you know a little something about what your doing. I know i was very impressed but i will of course leave that up to you if you want to let that cat out of the bag or not. Until then my lips are sealed
don't know why I didn't see this....but you must be talking about a certain head on our flow bench that we very easily made a little wicked with some HeadGames magic...








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Old May 3, 2010 | 09:42 AM
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Headgames can you answer my question above? Post #20.
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