Notices
Evo Engine / Turbo / Drivetrain Everything from engine management to the best clutch and flywheel.

No 6th gear after clutch install?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 1, 2010 | 05:55 AM
  #16  
thedru13's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,359
Likes: 5
From: West Chester PA
ACD reservoir is front drivers side behind the driver headlight. its white. use Mitsu ATF fluid. Make sure its full then re bleed the system.
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2010 | 09:45 AM
  #17  
pennies_evo's Avatar
Newbie
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
From: mn
Originally Posted by thedru13
ACD reservoir is front drivers side behind the driver headlight. its white. use Mitsu ATF fluid. Make sure its full then re bleed the system.
Thank you so much. Weird how none of the ACD threads mentioned that. I will be getting that fixed.
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2010 | 09:50 AM
  #18  
pennies_hatchie's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolving Member
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 176
Likes: 2
From: Rapids Coon, MN
Originally Posted by Mbernhardt
I know you said that your clutch before engaged into 6th normally, but one of the links to another thread that you gave suggests that its the syncros. Have you considered that? just because it worked before the recent clutch install doesnt mean your 6th gear syncro isnt toasted.
But would a bad syncro cause total lockout? It never grinded when trying to get in 6th with the other clutch, it was just a little harder to get in then the rest of the gears.
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2010 | 10:17 AM
  #19  
thedru13's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,359
Likes: 5
From: West Chester PA
There is a good 6sp write up out on there. Wasn't available when I did mine so had to peice together the gaps.

when my tranny went I could drive the car but just ccould not shift into 4th gear. All other gears were fine. I could shift the car when it was off but when driving 4th gear was not there. So it could be a syncro or something else. When you drained the Tranny fluid did you notice any material in there? did anything come out metal wise?
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2010 | 10:26 AM
  #20  
burninrubb24's Avatar
Evolving Member
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 119
Likes: 0
From: ny
If it dosent go into gear wit the car off then it isn't the cluch. Look into the linkage or the trannk itself
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2010 | 11:25 AM
  #21  
Mbernhardt's Avatar
Newbie
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
From: Rochester, NY
Even while the car is off it still wont go


Today 09:26 AMburninrubb24If it dosent go into gear wit the car off then it isn't the cluch. Look into the linkage or the trannk itself



sorry i missed that part. but what burnin says does make sense so hopefully bleeding and refilling the acd does the trick.
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2010 | 12:34 PM
  #22  
thedru13's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,359
Likes: 5
From: West Chester PA
Also make sure the fluid isn't low in the brake fluid resi. That's the one back ny the firewall driver side.
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2010 | 12:39 PM
  #23  
kanyonkid's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (33)
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,276
Likes: 0
From: SoCal/MS
i didnt read all the post, but make sure your intake isnt pressed against that thing on the tranny(sorry don't know the terminology) but it has a rubber boot on it... When i put on my HTA green my intake was pressed against that thing and i couldnt go into 6th.... just a thought. Goodluck
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2010 | 10:14 PM
  #24  
pennies_hatchie's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolving Member
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 176
Likes: 2
From: Rapids Coon, MN
Originally Posted by thedru13
There is a good 6sp write up out on there. Wasn't available when I did mine so had to peice together the gaps.

when my tranny went I could drive the car but just ccould not shift into 4th gear. All other gears were fine. I could shift the car when it was off but when driving 4th gear was not there. So it could be a syncro or something else. When you drained the Tranny fluid did you notice any material in there? did anything come out metal wise?

Actually there was no metal shavings in the oil nor on the drain plug when I drained the oil. I still have it and found nothing.

I just find it hard to believe that the syncros would go if it worked before the clutch job and I know its not the clutch as someone on here mentioned earlier.

The clutch fluid is full and I tried to fill the tranny again today but it just overfilled.

I took out the battery and looked and there's seriously nothing in the way of the shift linkages. They are on the shifter mechanism pretty tight as well.

Now, I opened up the center console to look at the shifter itself and its not binding or have anything in its way. It does feel ODD when shifting sometimes as if its not 100% stiff, its very sluggish. It felt like this right when the clutch went out in front of my driveway. I felt hear a pop when this happened. After that, the car would not go in gear while the car was on at all so I figure it was the clutch which it was as disc was toast. But even with the new clutch, the shifter still feels the same way, nice and sloppy instead of firm like it did before.

It does NOT feel like 6th gear is even there as when you shift to 6th, it just goes to 4th. No grinding or anything. I have tried to put my whole weight on pushing it to 6th and in 5 times, i got it to go in once and thats forcing it in an about 1 min of playing with it. But when I tried to put it in neutral, it does not want to move, took me about 20 seconds to budge it back into neutral and it was totally weird as far as the feeling of the shifter.

I did however when doing the clutch, took out the shifter mechanism but I was very careful as to not move it or move the inside of it. When I reinstalled it, it went in smooth. Would this have caused this?

Again thank you so much for helping everyone. Ill keep taking more suggestions because I hope its just a small issue instead of having to rip the trans off again and replacing it. Thanks
Reply
Old Jun 1, 2010 | 11:09 PM
  #25  
NYCFJV7's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 166
Likes: 0
From: NY
Did you have a habit of missing 5th gear when driving the car hard? I had the same problem after I botched up a bunch of 5th gear shifts and found that it's from the slide rails getting burrs in them, preventing the shifter from getting into 6th. After putting a lot of miles on it and trying every so often to get it back into 6th on the highway it finally went in. Had to be going about 70 mph for it to even be possible though. Stationary - impossible. After that I just kept working the shifter into 6th while on the highway and it finally loosened up. Behaves almost like normal now. I know you said this only happened after you put everything back together, but it may be possible that this had already happened and moving around the trans when you did the clutch job shifted the rails a bit, causing the lockout issue. Just some food for thought.
Reply
Old Jun 2, 2010 | 04:53 AM
  #26  
thedru13's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,359
Likes: 5
From: West Chester PA
Stupid question but did you hook up the shift linkage to the right posts? I meant the tranny fluid was there anything in there when you drained that.
Reply
Old Jun 2, 2010 | 08:18 AM
  #27  
pennies_hatchie's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolving Member
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 176
Likes: 2
From: Rapids Coon, MN
Originally Posted by NYCFJV7
Did you have a habit of missing 5th gear when driving the car hard? I had the same problem after I botched up a bunch of 5th gear shifts and found that it's from the slide rails getting burrs in them, preventing the shifter from getting into 6th. After putting a lot of miles on it and trying every so often to get it back into 6th on the highway it finally went in. Had to be going about 70 mph for it to even be possible though. Stationary - impossible. After that I just kept working the shifter into 6th while on the highway and it finally loosened up. Behaves almost like normal now. I know you said this only happened after you put everything back together, but it may be possible that this had already happened and moving around the trans when you did the clutch job shifted the rails a bit, causing the lockout issue. Just some food for thought.
When I got it, I have not even had the chance to drive it hard. Its just been used as a DD back and forth to work. But I guess the previous owner couldve droved it hard but then again, it worked fine before.


Originally Posted by thedru13
Stupid question but did you hook up the shift linkage to the right posts? I meant the tranny fluid was there anything in there when you drained that.

The shift linkages are in the correct places and like I mentioned before, no shavings in the trans oil nor on the trans plug when I pulled it.
Reply
Old Jun 2, 2010 | 08:26 AM
  #28  
Bggstin's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 274
Likes: 0
From: Pittsburgh / Morgantown
1) Yes the Exedy is going to chatter with the clutch pushed in.
2) Take a picture of the linkage/top of the trans just so we all have an idea of whats going on. 6th gear doesn't disappear, it's got to be something dumb if you're checking things and they all look right.
Reply
Old Jun 2, 2010 | 08:39 AM
  #29  
pennies_hatchie's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolving Member
iTrader: (22)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 176
Likes: 2
From: Rapids Coon, MN
Originally Posted by Bggstin
1) Yes the Exedy is going to chatter with the clutch pushed in.
2) Take a picture of the linkage/top of the trans just so we all have an idea of whats going on. 6th gear doesn't disappear, it's got to be something dumb if you're checking things and they all look right.
Great idea. Ill get a pix up in a bit. And yeah, right now, 6th is no where to be found. It really feels like a 5 speed.
Reply
Old Jun 2, 2010 | 10:20 AM
  #30  
kiley_sean's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (18)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 295
Likes: 1
From: Germany
It's not clutch or syncro related if you never had this problem before the clutch install.

Something went wrong when you slid the shifter mechanism back in the tranny or when you put the shift cables back on. It's strange that you have 5th and reverse, but not 6th.
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:59 AM.