Buschur vs AMS Mustache Bar - Alot of questions
i have the AMS mustache delete and the BR side diff brackets. the deceleration noise is extreme. very loud. not something a DD should have at all. i kind of want to remove the AMS mustache delete bracket and give BR's mustache bar because it has bushing on it and should help on the deceleration noise. i think there similar in weight too
sock mustache bar is 15.9 lbs
AMS mustache delete is 13 lbs lighter
BR mustache bar is 12.7 lbs lighter.
BR side diff brackets are 2.5 lbs ''total 5 lbs'' lighter then stock.
here is a pic ''note the bushings on these are BR's old style brackets. the new ones do not use the bushing''
sock mustache bar is 15.9 lbs
AMS mustache delete is 13 lbs lighter
BR mustache bar is 12.7 lbs lighter.
BR side diff brackets are 2.5 lbs ''total 5 lbs'' lighter then stock.
here is a pic ''note the bushings on these are BR's old style brackets. the new ones do not use the bushing''
I answered your questions in a PM already and then found this.
Here's the bottom line, IF you put solid aluminum or steel bushings in any part of the car it is going to get LOUDER. End of story.
Our mustache bar, if you leave the stock diff bushings in isn't too bad on most cars. With that said I don't recommend doing it because the rear end movement is then expected to be taken care of completely by the mustache bar. Our mustache bar uses the stock mounting points and is double re-inforced where it bolts to the rear end. Initially they were a single layer of steel and some guys who did not use the diff bushings tore the metal, so we doubled the metal there and it is gussetted.
I have our billet diff mounts and our mustache bar in my RS, the BadBish. It is our original mustache bar and with the diff mounts I have never had a problem but it is LOUD AS HELL particularly on decel. I have decided I want to put more miles on the car and enjoy it much more this year. I could not stand the noise.
My solution was to take the billet diff mounts out, have them machined to accept the factory poly urathane bushings and put them back in, it eliminated about 90% of the noise I was getting and the car is now much more enjoyable to drive.
I am waiting on pricing for this extra machining now and when we get it there will be a product release for this option. We will probably be offering our billet diff mounts in the future with urathane bushings as standard and the completely solid units as "race" parts. We'll also offer this an upgrade to existing mounts guys have.
Your best bet since you are so concerned with noise is the mustache bar/rear diff urathane bushing kit. If you aren't after weight savings the other parts are pointless.
Here's the bottom line, IF you put solid aluminum or steel bushings in any part of the car it is going to get LOUDER. End of story.
Our mustache bar, if you leave the stock diff bushings in isn't too bad on most cars. With that said I don't recommend doing it because the rear end movement is then expected to be taken care of completely by the mustache bar. Our mustache bar uses the stock mounting points and is double re-inforced where it bolts to the rear end. Initially they were a single layer of steel and some guys who did not use the diff bushings tore the metal, so we doubled the metal there and it is gussetted.
I have our billet diff mounts and our mustache bar in my RS, the BadBish. It is our original mustache bar and with the diff mounts I have never had a problem but it is LOUD AS HELL particularly on decel. I have decided I want to put more miles on the car and enjoy it much more this year. I could not stand the noise.
My solution was to take the billet diff mounts out, have them machined to accept the factory poly urathane bushings and put them back in, it eliminated about 90% of the noise I was getting and the car is now much more enjoyable to drive.
I am waiting on pricing for this extra machining now and when we get it there will be a product release for this option. We will probably be offering our billet diff mounts in the future with urathane bushings as standard and the completely solid units as "race" parts. We'll also offer this an upgrade to existing mounts guys have.
Your best bet since you are so concerned with noise is the mustache bar/rear diff urathane bushing kit. If you aren't after weight savings the other parts are pointless.
I answered your questions in a PM already and then found this.
Here's the bottom line, IF you put solid aluminum or steel bushings in any part of the car it is going to get LOUDER. End of story.
Our mustache bar, if you leave the stock diff bushings in isn't too bad on most cars. With that said I don't recommend doing it because the rear end movement is then expected to be taken care of completely by the mustache bar. Our mustache bar uses the stock mounting points and is double re-inforced where it bolts to the rear end. Initially they were a single layer of steel and some guys who did not use the diff bushings tore the metal, so we doubled the metal there and it is gussetted.
I have our billet diff mounts and our mustache bar in my RS, the BadBish. It is our original mustache bar and with the diff mounts I have never had a problem but it is LOUD AS HELL particularly on decel. I have decided I want to put more miles on the car and enjoy it much more this year. I could not stand the noise.
My solution was to take the billet diff mounts out, have them machined to accept the factory poly urathane bushings and put them back in, it eliminated about 90% of the noise I was getting and the car is now much more enjoyable to drive.
I am waiting on pricing for this extra machining now and when we get it there will be a product release for this option. We will probably be offering our billet diff mounts in the future with urathane bushings as standard and the completely solid units as "race" parts. We'll also offer this an upgrade to existing mounts guys have.
Your best bet since you are so concerned with noise is the mustache bar/rear diff urathane bushing kit. If you aren't after weight savings the other parts are pointless.
Here's the bottom line, IF you put solid aluminum or steel bushings in any part of the car it is going to get LOUDER. End of story.
Our mustache bar, if you leave the stock diff bushings in isn't too bad on most cars. With that said I don't recommend doing it because the rear end movement is then expected to be taken care of completely by the mustache bar. Our mustache bar uses the stock mounting points and is double re-inforced where it bolts to the rear end. Initially they were a single layer of steel and some guys who did not use the diff bushings tore the metal, so we doubled the metal there and it is gussetted.
I have our billet diff mounts and our mustache bar in my RS, the BadBish. It is our original mustache bar and with the diff mounts I have never had a problem but it is LOUD AS HELL particularly on decel. I have decided I want to put more miles on the car and enjoy it much more this year. I could not stand the noise.
My solution was to take the billet diff mounts out, have them machined to accept the factory poly urathane bushings and put them back in, it eliminated about 90% of the noise I was getting and the car is now much more enjoyable to drive.
I am waiting on pricing for this extra machining now and when we get it there will be a product release for this option. We will probably be offering our billet diff mounts in the future with urathane bushings as standard and the completely solid units as "race" parts. We'll also offer this an upgrade to existing mounts guys have.
Your best bet since you are so concerned with noise is the mustache bar/rear diff urathane bushing kit. If you aren't after weight savings the other parts are pointless.
does doing this make the rear flex around more or be just as solid but with less decel noises?
This is what I was talking about!!
Perfect info
thank you evodan, and of course david. I'll be calling you to order the bushing kit.
Just one thing, get those billet diff mounts ready so i can buy them hehe.
All my questions got answered perfectly, sorry to have asked so many questions but this is what i needed to know.
David, I didnt see the bushing kit on your website
but I shall call to check
Update: Called and check but one more question came up, the rep said that the oem should be fine.
I sent a PM to David, i'll post what he says after he replies.
If I do stick with the oem bushings instead of the poly, is there a chance that something might break even with the new bar? I know the poly is better but if I stayed with the oem, just wondering.
I have 14k miles on the car so i know its good but just curious on the bushings.
Perfect info
thank you evodan, and of course david. I'll be calling you to order the bushing kit.
Just one thing, get those billet diff mounts ready so i can buy them hehe.
All my questions got answered perfectly, sorry to have asked so many questions but this is what i needed to know.
David, I didnt see the bushing kit on your website
but I shall call to checkUpdate: Called and check but one more question came up, the rep said that the oem should be fine.
I sent a PM to David, i'll post what he says after he replies.
If I do stick with the oem bushings instead of the poly, is there a chance that something might break even with the new bar? I know the poly is better but if I stayed with the oem, just wondering.
I have 14k miles on the car so i know its good but just curious on the bushings.
Last edited by yellowbirds58; Jun 25, 2010 at 09:24 AM.
I run the AMS kit, and have decided that it's not worth the noise. I'm not at the point where I'm trying to save every last ounce of weight on the car, so I'm going back to the stock setup with an Energy Suspension bushing set.
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............ as I said, I'd highly advise the poly diff mount bushings if you are going to run the mustache bar and for your car I'd suggest only the poly rear kit.
No the rear end is not going to be as solid or rigid with the poly bushings in the billet diff supports as it will with the solid billet supports.
No the rear end is not going to be as solid or rigid with the poly bushings in the billet diff supports as it will with the solid billet supports.
For all the complaints about this piece though, I will say I LOVE the response it gives.
It's most noticeable for me in loose traction conditions. The instant you hit the gas, the back end is hanging to the side for fun time. The AMS mounts, the Shep rear diff, and the RS front LSD make this car an absolute BLAST to drive in loose traction situations. Just point the wheel, mash the throttle and hold on.
It's most noticeable for me in loose traction conditions. The instant you hit the gas, the back end is hanging to the side for fun time. The AMS mounts, the Shep rear diff, and the RS front LSD make this car an absolute BLAST to drive in loose traction situations. Just point the wheel, mash the throttle and hold on.
............ as I said, I'd highly advise the poly diff mount bushings if you are going to run the mustache bar and for your car I'd suggest only the poly rear kit.
No the rear end is not going to be as solid or rigid with the poly bushings in the billet diff supports as it will with the solid billet supports.
No the rear end is not going to be as solid or rigid with the poly bushings in the billet diff supports as it will with the solid billet supports.
can i send my mounts in for a update bushing or do i have to rebuy them.
I answered your questions in a PM already and then found this.
Here's the bottom line, IF you put solid aluminum or steel bushings in any part of the car it is going to get LOUDER. End of story.
Our mustache bar, if you leave the stock diff bushings in isn't too bad on most cars. With that said I don't recommend doing it because the rear end movement is then expected to be taken care of completely by the mustache bar. Our mustache bar uses the stock mounting points and is double re-inforced where it bolts to the rear end. Initially they were a single layer of steel and some guys who did not use the diff bushings tore the metal, so we doubled the metal there and it is gussetted.
I have our billet diff mounts and our mustache bar in my RS, the BadBish. It is our original mustache bar and with the diff mounts I have never had a problem but it is LOUD AS HELL particularly on decel. I have decided I want to put more miles on the car and enjoy it much more this year. I could not stand the noise.
My solution was to take the billet diff mounts out, have them machined to accept the factory poly urathane bushings and put them back in, it eliminated about 90% of the noise I was getting and the car is now much more enjoyable to drive.
I am waiting on pricing for this extra machining now and when we get it there will be a product release for this option. We will probably be offering our billet diff mounts in the future with urathane bushings as standard and the completely solid units as "race" parts. We'll also offer this an upgrade to existing mounts guys have.
Your best bet since you are so concerned with noise is the mustache bar/rear diff urathane bushing kit. If you aren't after weight savings the other parts are pointless.
Here's the bottom line, IF you put solid aluminum or steel bushings in any part of the car it is going to get LOUDER. End of story.
Our mustache bar, if you leave the stock diff bushings in isn't too bad on most cars. With that said I don't recommend doing it because the rear end movement is then expected to be taken care of completely by the mustache bar. Our mustache bar uses the stock mounting points and is double re-inforced where it bolts to the rear end. Initially they were a single layer of steel and some guys who did not use the diff bushings tore the metal, so we doubled the metal there and it is gussetted.
I have our billet diff mounts and our mustache bar in my RS, the BadBish. It is our original mustache bar and with the diff mounts I have never had a problem but it is LOUD AS HELL particularly on decel. I have decided I want to put more miles on the car and enjoy it much more this year. I could not stand the noise.
My solution was to take the billet diff mounts out, have them machined to accept the factory poly urathane bushings and put them back in, it eliminated about 90% of the noise I was getting and the car is now much more enjoyable to drive.
I am waiting on pricing for this extra machining now and when we get it there will be a product release for this option. We will probably be offering our billet diff mounts in the future with urathane bushings as standard and the completely solid units as "race" parts. We'll also offer this an upgrade to existing mounts guys have.
Your best bet since you are so concerned with noise is the mustache bar/rear diff urathane bushing kit. If you aren't after weight savings the other parts are pointless.
Yes, you can send in the mounts to have them modified.
Yes, you need to call to order the mounts, I don't do orders via PM's.
I don't use the Toque solution mounts in my car so I don't know the answer.
Yes, you need to call to order the mounts, I don't do orders via PM's.
I don't use the Toque solution mounts in my car so I don't know the answer.
I answered your questions in a PM already and then found this.
Here's the bottom line, IF you put solid aluminum or steel bushings in any part of the car it is going to get LOUDER. End of story.
Our mustache bar, if you leave the stock diff bushings in isn't too bad on most cars. With that said I don't recommend doing it because the rear end movement is then expected to be taken care of completely by the mustache bar. Our mustache bar uses the stock mounting points and is double re-inforced where it bolts to the rear end. Initially they were a single layer of steel and some guys who did not use the diff bushings tore the metal, so we doubled the metal there and it is gussetted.
I have our billet diff mounts and our mustache bar in my RS, the BadBish. It is our original mustache bar and with the diff mounts I have never had a problem but it is LOUD AS HELL particularly on decel. I have decided I want to put more miles on the car and enjoy it much more this year. I could not stand the noise.
My solution was to take the billet diff mounts out, have them machined to accept the factory poly urathane bushings and put them back in, it eliminated about 90% of the noise I was getting and the car is now much more enjoyable to drive.
I am waiting on pricing for this extra machining now and when we get it there will be a product release for this option. We will probably be offering our billet diff mounts in the future with urathane bushings as standard and the completely solid units as "race" parts. We'll also offer this an upgrade to existing mounts guys have.
Your best bet since you are so concerned with noise is the mustache bar/rear diff urathane bushing kit. If you aren't after weight savings the other parts are pointless.
Here's the bottom line, IF you put solid aluminum or steel bushings in any part of the car it is going to get LOUDER. End of story.
Our mustache bar, if you leave the stock diff bushings in isn't too bad on most cars. With that said I don't recommend doing it because the rear end movement is then expected to be taken care of completely by the mustache bar. Our mustache bar uses the stock mounting points and is double re-inforced where it bolts to the rear end. Initially they were a single layer of steel and some guys who did not use the diff bushings tore the metal, so we doubled the metal there and it is gussetted.
I have our billet diff mounts and our mustache bar in my RS, the BadBish. It is our original mustache bar and with the diff mounts I have never had a problem but it is LOUD AS HELL particularly on decel. I have decided I want to put more miles on the car and enjoy it much more this year. I could not stand the noise.
My solution was to take the billet diff mounts out, have them machined to accept the factory poly urathane bushings and put them back in, it eliminated about 90% of the noise I was getting and the car is now much more enjoyable to drive.
I am waiting on pricing for this extra machining now and when we get it there will be a product release for this option. We will probably be offering our billet diff mounts in the future with urathane bushings as standard and the completely solid units as "race" parts. We'll also offer this an upgrade to existing mounts guys have.
Your best bet since you are so concerned with noise is the mustache bar/rear diff urathane bushing kit. If you aren't after weight savings the other parts are pointless.
Dave,
If I understand correctly there is a younger version of your mustache bar that may fail is it is not installed w/ stiffer bushings. Do you have any pictures of the differences for reference? I want to check see what version I have as i do not run an upgraded bushings with it.
