419wHP EvoVIII on pump gas dyno graph
I know this is asking a lot, but do you mods think it would be possible to merge this thread with the previous one to keep everything together? Of course, the other thread will have to be cleansed of all the hate...
Id like the mods to do that..and also cleanse the one with my pictures up...id do the work myself if i could...and do one big merge...but i think we actually have everyone agree to play nice...which means this could be very beneficial...I saw another thread before with someone putting down 400+hp!!! looks like these cars have plenty of potential...
Originally posted by ez76
Because if you can do it and do it safely, then you've got a bad *** car that you can drive more than 180 miles without sweating because you don't know where you're going to get that next 100 octane (or C-16???) fill-up.
You have posted time and time again that you don't want to tune your car to the "ragged edge" because you want a safe daily driver, but what price safety? Drums of leaded fuel sitting in your toolshed? A gas tank tether to home base? You've thought through engine safety but what about practicality safety?
... assuming you always have a supply on hand or a nearby station to get it!
Because if you can do it and do it safely, then you've got a bad *** car that you can drive more than 180 miles without sweating because you don't know where you're going to get that next 100 octane (or C-16???) fill-up.
You have posted time and time again that you don't want to tune your car to the "ragged edge" because you want a safe daily driver, but what price safety? Drums of leaded fuel sitting in your toolshed? A gas tank tether to home base? You've thought through engine safety but what about practicality safety?
... assuming you always have a supply on hand or a nearby station to get it!
In the event of traveling beyond my immediate area - its very simple acutally - either I carry a few small bottles of VP octane booster in my trunk - OR - I simply turn down the boost controller while I run the weaker pump gas
Its very funny to me all the heated debate and controversy this subject is causing - go ask any DSM expert what they think about 500 whp on 93 octane and see what they say
I would like a list of the turbo prices pm'ed as well!! I have asked a question about a turbo set-up good to 425-450 whp on pump, but that is all of the capacity that I would like. By limiting myself there I am hoping to use a smaller turbo than the 3037 (and cheaper as well) to keep some good spool-up characteristics, and I do want to run pump as well. I believe some others expressed similar intrest. Also, at what level do the rods and pistons need to be changed? I am already planning on ARP head studs and rod bolts, but at what point do the internals need to be upgraded? I will be happy when you guys are listed as venders and perhaps have your own link such as Vishnu and Works. You seem to have a great grasp on the turbo tuning, no doubt due to your GN days. That is another bad *** car!
Originally posted by joeycoates
I would like a list of the turbo prices pm'ed as well!! I have asked a question about a turbo set-up good to 425-450 whp on pump, but that is all of the capacity that I would like. By limiting myself there I am hoping to use a smaller turbo than the 3037 (and cheaper as well) to keep some good spool-up characteristics, and I do want to run pump as well. I believe some others expressed similar intrest. Also, at what level do the rods and pistons need to be changed? I am already planning on ARP head studs and rod bolts, but at what point do the internals need to be upgraded? I will be happy when you guys are listed as venders and perhaps have your own link such as Vishnu and Works. You seem to have a great grasp on the turbo tuning, no doubt due to your GN days. That is another bad *** car!
I would like a list of the turbo prices pm'ed as well!! I have asked a question about a turbo set-up good to 425-450 whp on pump, but that is all of the capacity that I would like. By limiting myself there I am hoping to use a smaller turbo than the 3037 (and cheaper as well) to keep some good spool-up characteristics, and I do want to run pump as well. I believe some others expressed similar intrest. Also, at what level do the rods and pistons need to be changed? I am already planning on ARP head studs and rod bolts, but at what point do the internals need to be upgraded? I will be happy when you guys are listed as venders and perhaps have your own link such as Vishnu and Works. You seem to have a great grasp on the turbo tuning, no doubt due to your GN days. That is another bad *** car!
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Frank Is it possible to build an LOW 11's Evolution and it still be fun to drive on pump gas? Like spool by around 4000? How much horses would be needed for a low 11's?
Also how do you lower the compression on the engine? Also are titanium rods available for the Evo? How much are they?
Oh and Pm me also w/ your turbo kits prices.
and damn you guys know alot!! jaja Also how much is the Alcohol/Water refill?
I'll visit your shop soon, I live in South Florida too.
thank you very much.
Omar
Also how do you lower the compression on the engine? Also are titanium rods available for the Evo? How much are they?
Oh and Pm me also w/ your turbo kits prices.
and damn you guys know alot!! jaja Also how much is the Alcohol/Water refill?
I'll visit your shop soon, I live in South Florida too.
thank you very much.
Omar
Originally posted by Alfriedesq
How would yoi know its better without driving it and comparing dyno sheets? Your sounding like a cheerleader lately !
How would yoi know its better without driving it and comparing dyno sheets? Your sounding like a cheerleader lately !
Don't Hate ... Congratulate .. .
Originally posted by Alfriedesq
How would yoi know its better without driving it and comparing dyno sheets? Your sounding like a cheerleader lately !
How would yoi know its better without driving it and comparing dyno sheets? Your sounding like a cheerleader lately !
When are you going to post your graphs w/ 93 octane Al?
so, my question is this: since al decided he better go looking for an actual, real life "DSM expert" about 12 minutes after spewing his usual insinuation-filled bile in the form of: "go ask any DSM expert what they think about 500 whp on 93 octane and see what they say" at about 5:17 gst, does anyone actually think he'll mention the reply here?
"...Nov 25, 2003 05:29 PM
David - way to go !!!! Can't wait to see these!
BTW - Dave - if you have a sec or two - would you care to give your expert opinion on what kind of whp figures (awd dyno jet) and boost level that you feel a 4g63 can safely support on pump gas - 93 octane?? Thanks
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fyi, the *real* DSM expert sums it up kinda like this:
"I would imagine if someone wanted to really work at it you could make 500 whp. I don't think it would be fun to drive or worth the effort."
-DB
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...3&pagenumber=2
whatever. does it sound like my kinda ride? no. does it back up al's sanctimonious BS? no.
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good work, sfp.
"...Nov 25, 2003 05:29 PM
David - way to go !!!! Can't wait to see these!
BTW - Dave - if you have a sec or two - would you care to give your expert opinion on what kind of whp figures (awd dyno jet) and boost level that you feel a 4g63 can safely support on pump gas - 93 octane?? Thanks
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fyi, the *real* DSM expert sums it up kinda like this:
"I would imagine if someone wanted to really work at it you could make 500 whp. I don't think it would be fun to drive or worth the effort."
-DB
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...3&pagenumber=2
whatever. does it sound like my kinda ride? no. does it back up al's sanctimonious BS? no.
*****.
good work, sfp.
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Originally posted by Mean TT
I think my new mission is going to be to compliment everyone that AL has a problem with. So....
1. SPF You are bad ***. Your tune is amazing and has showed a lot of people here just what the EVO engine can do. Pump gas is what cars run, race gas is for racing. Nos is for civics. Good work.
2. ULTOR. I already tried to start a thread and a poll to see if there was interest in banning AL. The mods didn't think it was a good idea. Understandable. You seem to be a smart and resonable person. Two qualities that seem to be getting more and more rare on the internet these days, especially in forums such as this.
That is all for now, I am sure that I would wear out this keyboard trying to keep up if I do this all week! Especially if the dyno battle gets going between John and AL.
I think my new mission is going to be to compliment everyone that AL has a problem with. So....
1. SPF You are bad ***. Your tune is amazing and has showed a lot of people here just what the EVO engine can do. Pump gas is what cars run, race gas is for racing. Nos is for civics. Good work.
2. ULTOR. I already tried to start a thread and a poll to see if there was interest in banning AL. The mods didn't think it was a good idea. Understandable. You seem to be a smart and resonable person. Two qualities that seem to be getting more and more rare on the internet these days, especially in forums such as this.
That is all for now, I am sure that I would wear out this keyboard trying to keep up if I do this all week! Especially if the dyno battle gets going between John and AL.
In addition, I would also like to add that Pesto360 had redifined what many people thought possibly for and EVO on pump gas. Something that all of the other "tuners" have so far shyed away from. If there is any cheerleading in this forum, I think that it should be lavishing praise on Pesto360 for the most bad *** REALISTIC EVO daily driver in that nation. Good job.
P.S. Remember when "people" were hyping up Works, and then Pruven, and then D.........?
Originally posted by Mean TT
In addition, I would also like to add that Pesto360 had redifined what many people thought possibly for and EVO on pump gas. Something that all of the other "tuners" have so far shyed away from. If there is any cheerleading in this forum, I think that it should be lavishing praise on Pesto360 for the most bad *** REALISTIC EVO daily driver in that nation. Good job.
P.S. Remember when "people" were hyping up Works, and then Pruven, and then D.........?
In addition, I would also like to add that Pesto360 had redifined what many people thought possibly for and EVO on pump gas. Something that all of the other "tuners" have so far shyed away from. If there is any cheerleading in this forum, I think that it should be lavishing praise on Pesto360 for the most bad *** REALISTIC EVO daily driver in that nation. Good job.
P.S. Remember when "people" were hyping up Works, and then Pruven, and then D.........?
Originally posted by Mean TT
In addition, I would also like to add that Pesto360 had redifined what many people thought possibly for and EVO on pump gas. Something that all of the other "tuners" have so far shyed away from. If there is any cheerleading in this forum, I think that it should be lavishing praise on Pesto360 for the most bad *** REALISTIC EVO daily driver in that nation. Good job.
P.S. Remember when "people" were hyping up Works, and then Pruven, and then D.........?
In addition, I would also like to add that Pesto360 had redifined what many people thought possibly for and EVO on pump gas. Something that all of the other "tuners" have so far shyed away from. If there is any cheerleading in this forum, I think that it should be lavishing praise on Pesto360 for the most bad *** REALISTIC EVO daily driver in that nation. Good job.
P.S. Remember when "people" were hyping up Works, and then Pruven, and then D.........?
Originally posted by MP5
I applaud SFP and Pesto too but lets not forget that the setup is hella expensive! now we need someone to get to doing the same on a relatively stock block to see what effects/hurdles the higher compression pistons we have does. Headwork OTOH seems to be great for incresed power!
I applaud SFP and Pesto too but lets not forget that the setup is hella expensive! now we need someone to get to doing the same on a relatively stock block to see what effects/hurdles the higher compression pistons we have does. Headwork OTOH seems to be great for incresed power!
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I thank everyone for the nice comments, We are trying to get back to the dyno this week to continue with Johns car. (pesto360)
We should be done with the mods on wednesday, hopefully the
dyno will be open on friday. We will keep everybody posted.
We are also working on designmaxfx's car this week, so hopefully
we will have results on both. Designmaxfx's car has our turbo
kit and an aem, with a bone stock engine . We are pretty cofident
that we will find very impressive #'s there also. The compression
will be some of the limiting factor, but this car will also be fitted
with water/alc injection. We will post dyno sheets asap.
We should be done with the mods on wednesday, hopefully the
dyno will be open on friday. We will keep everybody posted.
We are also working on designmaxfx's car this week, so hopefully
we will have results on both. Designmaxfx's car has our turbo
kit and an aem, with a bone stock engine . We are pretty cofident
that we will find very impressive #'s there also. The compression
will be some of the limiting factor, but this car will also be fitted
with water/alc injection. We will post dyno sheets asap.
I want to see what designmanfx's car will do without the water/alcohol, and I would also like an opinion as to if the numbers are safe on the bottom end, just because the car makes X amount of power doesn't mean that it will stay togather very long doing it. I think that this is what most who do a different turbo will want to know as well, as most do not have the money to do the full build and a different turbo to begin with.