You need to think about a few things. First is the development costs. R&D/engineering costs a fair bit of money. Quite a bit of testing and redevelopment is done before they are released. When it comes to building these, look at other costs like casting the new compressor cover. Thats done by a 3rd party, and also costs money. Then look at the cost of a new turbo itself, they sell for over $1k new.

The price of a Red is very reasonable for what you get, especially buying a complete unit. I doubt a shop would make you a comparable turbo for the price, especially when it comes to the performance of the compressor.

 

I know Mitsubishi turbos in general are expensive and that's part of the problem. But as far as I know you don't get a new casted compressor cover the just bore it out when you send them a nine turbo. And that costs 1000 which is a lot for a little wheel and a bored out housing. It's bs. I'm sure they've paid everyones paycheck in r&d by now. And also theoretically it shouldn't cost more for them to turn my nine Into a green red or whatever but it does. It costs the same for them to make either

 

You're mistaken on several levels. First, as others have pointed out, there are no turbo wheels that just "bolt in" to a stock Mitsubishi turbo. The only reason that our community has great options in a stock frame configuration is that FP was willing to spend their own time, engineering, and money to develop a range of reverse rotation turbos, essentially from scratch. The turbine wheel is custom cast, not a Mitsubishi product from another turbo. The compressor wheel is machined from a billet of aluminium by CNC. FP developed the wheel and paid for the programming and then for each wheel that is manufactured. The price reflects the risks that are inherent in making a unique product for a rather small market. It's not like a company like FP is going to sell 100,000 of something to the Honda market...

That's why companies that spend alot to make a unique product don't take kindly to people like you who think just ripping off their ideas and copying their products is a great idea.

If you think the asking price is too high, then you must think that you can make a comparable turbo and sell it cheaper. Others obviously disagree, since there has been a long line of eager buyers for the Red, then the Black, then the HTA Green, etc. Let us all know when you design a set of turbo wheels that work better, cost less to manufacture, then put you own cash on the line to have them manufactured, check and quality control them, have special housings designed and cast and machined to accommodate them, then sell them cheaper than the FP turbos you're complaining about, and warranty them as well as FP. If it were that simple, there would be lots of competitors, wouldn't there?

If you want a ball bearing turbo cheaper than one of these, FP also makes a full range of billet HTA Garrett CHRA turbos. That's another application all together, but requires a completely different manifold, which many people would prefer to avoid for any number of reasons.

Your first post was obvious. You want information about a well respected vendor's products because you want to copy it. Why would anyone want to help you essentially copy someone else's hard work? Would that encourage vendors or Mitsu enthusiasts to risk money to bring a new product to the market for us all? Not likely...

 

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. There is a lot more to a Red then a compressor wheel and bored out housing.

1. It is a different (custom) turbine wheel
2. It is a different (custom) compressor housing
2. It is a different (custom) compressor wheel
4. It is a custom machined back plate
5. It is a custom machined turbine housing
6. It likely has various modifications to the oiling system based on FP's past on the DSM turbos using custom thrust bearings, although I've never seen them mention it on the EVO stuff.

And last but not least, it's a company that will stand behind their work and invest into the progression of the technology for these cars. Not some hack job shop looking to copy what somebody else has done.

 

That's not really a valid arguement as what goes into specing a complete turbo is very complicated, which is why Garrett, Borg Warner, Precision, and Tomei tell you exactly what the dimenisons of their wheels are when it comes to inducer and exducer. Why do that do that? So the customer can make a better decision as to which turbo is best for them.

What are the relative power levels and spool characteristics of the Red, Black, Green, BBX lite, BBXBXBXBXXXX whatever CBRD calls them? I don't know because I don't know the specs.

Like a Garrett GT3071 vs a GT3076. Very simple, they both use the same size turbine wheel, but the 3076 obviously has a larger compressor. So what does that tell me? The 3076 will make more power, but have slower transient response. Even if Garrett didn't publish the compressor maps, you could estimate the power difference based on the wheel sizes. On a Precision turbo, I can give a pretty good estimate of the power and spool characteristics of a 6057 vs. a 6262 because the wheel sizes are the names of the turbos.

 

I;m not so sure that the numbers would help you out much but I'm sure if you search around you'd find the specs or someonr prepared to measure them .
The reason its of no use is because they do their compressor wheels differently to most OE ones and its not like you can get them short of gutting one of their turbos .

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Look I'm done with this thread. Stop replying to it. Cry baby douche bags over here acting as if they have stock in fp.who cares if someone wants to try and make a turbo like a red? Is that really affecting your life? Are you losing sleep wondering how fp will ever make it? Aww boohoo let's ***** and whine about all the hard work and dedication these guys have put in just for us Evo guys. It couldn't be so they could make a nice profit based on the typical Evo owner. Who is most likely rich or atleast well off. And willing to buy anything ams or buschur tell them too. Come on... Use a little ingenuity.
Of course I doubt this guy can make a reverse wheel but hey if he wants to try then what the hell. I'm willing to help someone try. Fp has gotten enough Evo owners money. So pull your tongues out of there a$$hole$

 

Ahh, a would be intellectual thief AND uninformed, as well as rude and copping an attitude with people who know what you don't. You're got quite the combination going for you. Bet that works well for you every day. Good luck with your new turbo manufacturing effort. Make sure to let us all know how that turns out. Maybe your turbo guy could use standard wheels if you only drive in reverse

 

Are you serious? You most likely know nothing I don't. And with that ridiculous comment about driving in reverse, it's quite obvious that you are misinformed. So get back on the name brand junky truck and quit trying to turn on that peanut rattling around in your skull boy