Turbo selection for a 2.4
3582HTA is just about right for a 8500rpm and down 2.4L motor. Its all combination specific and what you specifically can tolerate in behavior. The other aspect is tune (I dont mean just ECU), all the parts mean far less if its not working together.
Last edited by JohnBradley; Sep 24, 2010 at 08:50 AM.
have you gotten to use one on a 2.4 before?
i looked at his build and saw it was a 3586, didnt know it was hta tho, from what i heard the hta 86 produces about 100hp more then a none hta 86, and the hta 82 more or less just improves spool time over a none hta 82. plz correct me or add to it if i was misinformed, id love to see his graphs if someone can find it off hand 
ok guys i have a maperformance stage 2 2.4
9.7:1
all there bells and whistles.
will be running E-85
so for the longest time ive had the fp black in mind for my turbo since its a proven performer. record is what 713hp? so far..
ive also had my eye on the fp hta gt 3582, i hear spool is decent but havent found much results or seen any on a 2.4 so id like some opinons on how it might or might not perform. and what a/r would be best?
i plan to shift at 8500...
so fp black, hta gt3582, other suggestions?
9.7:1
all there bells and whistles.
will be running E-85
so for the longest time ive had the fp black in mind for my turbo since its a proven performer. record is what 713hp? so far..
ive also had my eye on the fp hta gt 3582, i hear spool is decent but havent found much results or seen any on a 2.4 so id like some opinons on how it might or might not perform. and what a/r would be best?
i plan to shift at 8500...
so fp black, hta gt3582, other suggestions?
Plan to shift at 8500??? Then your choice of a 2.4 is NOT a good idea.
With the 37r it's a really new turbo...so not many have ran it. But reports are just a tad more laggy than a 35. So with a 2.4, high compression ratio, e85, and the resulting timing you can run on e85 I bet you would spool it up just fine.
For a 6767, or 6765, etc they have been around enough where you can go look for dyno sheets in the dyno section and find a few with your setup to see how they spool. But it shouldn't be too bad either.
For a 6767, or 6765, etc they have been around enough where you can go look for dyno sheets in the dyno section and find a few with your setup to see how they spool. But it shouldn't be too bad either.
8500 is the limit on a 2.4, remember thats the same limit on the 2.3 and its the same R/s. Longer rods help in the long run, but even then if you think you can live at 8500 in either it wont happen. Occasional racing and shifting high is fine, in fact I am starting to think that going higher is even safe.
Read anything Kiggly has posted in the "To stroke or not to stroke" thread and you'll get an idea of what the issues are and what the max rev limit.
Toxic-
There is not a "nonHTA" 3586, they are all HTA. The only non HTA you can get is the standard 3582 vs the HTA3582.
Dyno sheets-
Full power at 38psi on E85 (from the pump, not mixed)
Pumpgas at 25psi
Also on pumpgas it does make torque more like the full power graph, playing with the boost controller I got some of that back. 20psi comes at 4400 or so despite fuel or boost level.
Read anything Kiggly has posted in the "To stroke or not to stroke" thread and you'll get an idea of what the issues are and what the max rev limit.
Toxic-
There is not a "nonHTA" 3586, they are all HTA. The only non HTA you can get is the standard 3582 vs the HTA3582.
Dyno sheets-
Full power at 38psi on E85 (from the pump, not mixed)
Pumpgas at 25psi
Also on pumpgas it does make torque more like the full power graph, playing with the boost controller I got some of that back. 20psi comes at 4400 or so despite fuel or boost level.
156mm 2.2 will be 1.66 or 1.67 R/s as I recall. Piston speed maxes out around 9200-9400. When I still had my 2.2 I revved it that high on the street. That is actually a classic example of what I am talking about when I say total tune. I had everything I have now except the cams and that motor didnt do what I had hoped it would. It actually made peak power lower than the 2.4 does now. Albeit we are talking 200rpm, but still.
156mm 2.2 will be 1.66 or 1.67 R/s as I recall. Piston speed maxes out around 9200-9400. When I still had my 2.2 I revved it that high on the street. That is actually a classic example of what I am talking about when I say total tune. I had everything I have now except the cams and that motor didnt do what I had hoped it would. It actually made peak power lower than the 2.4 does now. Albeit we are talking 200rpm, but still.
I dont think it would be a 100k motor doing that regularly, but at the same time I dont think it will get smoky that fast either. Piston to wall and gap has alot to do with that as well.
Aaron
Aaron
156mm 2.2 will be 1.66 or 1.67 R/s as I recall. Piston speed maxes out around 9200-9400. When I still had my 2.2 I revved it that high on the street. That is actually a classic example of what I am talking about when I say total tune. I had everything I have now except the cams and that motor didnt do what I had hoped it would. It actually made peak power lower than the 2.4 does now. Albeit we are talking 200rpm, but still.