+1 on that..

 

Ha, here comes the bashing...

I don't get why you guys can't stay out of each others threads? It just makes you guys look just as bad.

Anyway, +1 on making the stock turbo version available for $75.

I wouldn't guarantee a turbo after some body pulled off the compressor cover if the damage was at all related. It's pretty easy to ding up the compressor wheel if you aren't careful.

 

It doesn't make sense to buy a bbk OR hta green because the hks Turbo looks better than both of them.

It also makes no sense to buy a fp red again because the bbk-b kills it. Soon there will probably be an hta red because the current red doesn't even stand a chance on 93 octane.

I bet soon you fp sponsored guys will start saying not to buy gsc or kelford cams either. I've heard it a couple times already can't wait to see a thread specifically about it though.

 

Come on, this is silly....Turbos are not magical devices - the new HKS sounds killer because it fits to the stock manifold and is BB. The BBK Full and HTA Green are close to each other, but the HTA Green can push more air. Don't get me wrong, the BBK Full is still a nice turbo. The FP Red is a proven 500 - 600 whp turbo and it sounds like the BBK-B will be a 500 - 550 whp turbo.

The cover issue / lack of warranty with BBK is unfortunate. Oh well.

 

If you want to buy an FP, quite simply buy an FP turbo

we are not going to consider warranty on a turbo that has parts from a competitor put on it, quite simple.

I'm sorry if that upsets you....

cheers

cb

 

I've spoken to a few people here in NYC who have reds, nobody has made more than 450-460 on 93oct. Looks like bbk-b is making over 500 on 93oct and spooling earlier than a red. Fp red 600whp? That must be on E85. I haven't seen e85 number for the bbk-b yet so ur mixing apples versus oranges again like you did in the last thread confusing dynos.

Listen everybody knows you're mad at cbrd bc they didn't warranty your used turbo but correct me if I'm wrong fp will warranty only up to 1 year after purchase. Why don't you throw some oil lines from the bbk-b on a red or black and see if fp will warranty it.

Some of you guys are ridiculous on this forum with the games you play and personal agendas. Stop spreading bull**** and confusing people. Not everyone is an idiot on here. You are just making yourselves look stupid.

If the bbk never came out there would have never been a hta green. The hks is gonna force everyone to rethink things, but in my opinion the bbk-b is the turbo to have now if you're limited to 93 oct. People should be happy that all this competition is happening.

Rant over.

- Tommy

 

Tommy - PLEASE. The BBK-B number were from a fully built 2.3L on e85 (please re-read GST's post more carefully).

I don't have ANY agendas pertaining to turbos and am NOT mad at CBRD. CBRD is a great shop, super clean, and has some great customer service. I'd recommend anyone close to CBRD needing work to call Chad.

What BS do you feel I am spreading ? I tried to just post factual data on turbine flows & potential hp output and you attack me like I have an agenda ???

I'll post a bunch of data (REAL DATA and real cars) on various setups - from that you can make your own judgement. From memory, it looks like GST's 2.3L with the BBK-B produced very similar results to David Buschur's 2.3L with an FP Red.

Here is a good link w/ some data for starters : https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...aro-sorts.html

COMPARE TO : https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...brd-bbk-b.html

Carry on...

 

The BBK Full, BBK-B, HTA Green and now the HKS turbo all seem to be your best bet for 93 oct turbos...With the BBK-B sitting on top...If you have e85 available then I would go with an fp red or fp black...

Once I get my Full upgraded to the BBK-B...I don't see a problem with my car making 450whp on 93 oct and more torque then what I would have been able to do with my fp red...

 

First off the Red and Black are both designed around and use FP's HTA wheel, so you are misinformed.

See above, you are the one spreading misinformation.

I was making 400/410 on 93 octane on my fully bolt-ons stock block HTA Green. On E-85 that number jumped up to 450/425 (on a Mustang Dyno, reads close to Buschurs). After I built the motor with the BR 2.1 and better exhaust, ex manifold and intake with the 84mm cover that Green hit ~500/525 (dyno dynamics). It ran that way for three months and eventually died on me (maybe a little higher power, there were a few mods added after the fact). Needless to say I was running it out of its efficiency range @ 35psi, but it held on like a champ on the track and street.

I have seen very few BBK-Fulls make over 500whp. Either there aren't many or people just aren't posting the results.

FP heard about me and I sent them plots of everything. I sent in the HTA Green and they kept the warranty in tact, upgraded me to a FP Red, and even took care of expedited shipping and everything. That to me is great customer service. They want to see how far people can push their turbos because it makes them look great and really gives their product a chance to shine. Granted they might lose a little more money, but they are still making a good living off of their product while letting people have FUN with the turbos they put on the market.

CBRD makes great turbos. There are many people here in the area that run the BBK series turbos, and I even considered it after my Green died. You can call this post a fan-boy rant or whatever, but all I know is that that HTA Green hauled *** and I expect nothing less from the Red after I am done tuning it.

Edit: You also have to realize that there is a big difference between the HTA and the BBK. You say that the HTA Green wouldn't have existed without the BBK? What is your reasoning behind this? You do realize that the HTA wheel is a completely different design from that of many turbos on the market, right? In regards to the discussion between the 500+whp BBK-X, that was on a fully built 2.3, so it can't be compared in terms of spool that argument is invalid.