ATP'S GARRETT GTX3582R product review
Feb 20, 2011, 08:43 PM
#151
Comparing this graph with a lot of other graphs on a MD from either REESE, BR, or GST which all are probably within 5% or less, it seems as though this turbo spools up as fast as a HTA86 instead of say a FP Black which this ATP 3582 bolt on is supposed to compete with im guessing.
So looking at the results like that, this turbo is rather unimpressive so far, but if the wastgate issues are resolved hopefully it can shine....... but for now the FP BLACK wins, maybe the GTX3076R bolt on variant would do better, and be a better match for the stock style hotside
So looking at the results like that, this turbo is rather unimpressive so far, but if the wastgate issues are resolved hopefully it can shine....... but for now the FP BLACK wins, maybe the GTX3076R bolt on variant would do better, and be a better match for the stock style hotside
Mikey
* Edit - btw I just noticed that your MD reads VERY close to a DJ...
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Feb 20, 2011, 10:18 PM
#152
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i won't be convinced that the black is better unless it is tested back to back on the same dyno/config/car etc.
Until more testing is done, there is no definitive way to know for sure which one is better. We can just guess. Seeing as how this is one of the only graphs I've seen of the GTX, I'm taking it with a grain of salt to the actual potential.
Not everyone is going to make the same power on the black either. Let's see what further testing shows.
Until more testing is done, there is no definitive way to know for sure which one is better. We can just guess. Seeing as how this is one of the only graphs I've seen of the GTX, I'm taking it with a grain of salt to the actual potential.
Not everyone is going to make the same power on the black either. Let's see what further testing shows.
Feb 20, 2011, 10:51 PM
#153
* Edit - btw I just noticed that your MD reads VERY close to a DJ...[/QUOTE]
Do you know a lot of evo IXs that put 225-230 on a DJ? My understanding that most put around 250 or so.
If I remember correctly GST's MD puts around the same 225-230 for stock evo IXs.
Do you know a lot of evo IXs that put 225-230 on a DJ? My understanding that most put around 250 or so.
If I remember correctly GST's MD puts around the same 225-230 for stock evo IXs.
Feb 21, 2011, 06:27 AM
#154
Do you know a lot of evo IXs that put 225-230 on a DJ? My understanding that most put around 250 or so.
If I remember correctly GST's MD puts around the same 225-230 for stock evo IXs.[/QUOTE]
I can double check but I am pretty sure that a stock IX on ER's DJ puts down 235-240ish.
Mikey
Feb 21, 2011, 10:49 AM
#155
Do you know a lot of evo IXs that put 225-230 on a DJ? My understanding that most put around 250 or so.
If I remember correctly GST's MD puts around the same 225-230 for stock evo IXs.[/quote]
These are the numbers for stock evo's on GST's dyno, from this thread..... https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-e85-army.html
Stock 03/04 evo = 190-210whp
Stock 05 evo = 210-215whp
Stock 06 evo = 220-230whp
Stock 08 evo = 215-230whp
Stock 09 Ralliart = 190-199whp
Considering the mods on this test car im disappointed, but who knows maybe this turbo comes alive after 36 PSI
If FFTEC's dyno reads about the same as a DJ, wouldn't that mean that on a unmolested MD it would be around 470-480 AWHP!!! that's a huge let down, but i agree with coheed lets wait for more results, maybe somethings amiss with this setup.
Last edited by ct9asilver; Feb 21, 2011 at 10:54 AM.
Feb 21, 2011, 11:42 AM
#156
Our MD has not been manipulated what so ever.
Based on many other cars built/tuned here in comparison to weight/ET/MPHs from other reputable companies our MD reads about 13-15% LESS THAN most DJ's
We have many other graphs to compare other set-ups ie. (FP BLACK, BBK B, HTA3582, PTE6262, PTE6765, GT3582, GT3076, BBK FULL, etc.)
All of them have very different combos so not very fair comparisons but enough to get a grasp of what this turbo is doing at this point and although the #'s may not seem mind-blowing to some it's about what i was expecting.
Not sure if i care to sift through all the different graphs and try to remember all the different combos to post up and appease those with concerns as we really have nothing to gain from it.
We were curious to see how it would perfom so we tested it and put up the #'s
Feb 21, 2011, 11:50 AM
#158
FWIW if i remember correct i believe William (stock block/e85/fp black) makes 590ish on AWD's DJ and most stock block 35R's on our dyno run right at 475-500 so if you do the math 500x1.15 = 575 so it's pretty darn close and i'm not sure what kinda boost Williams was running but that tends to be right about 36-39psi on a T3 based set-up on our dyno.
Not trying to sell anyone as the #'s have been scrutinized about the FP BLACK and what it compares to turbo size wise but some people may be looking at other factors when purchasing a turbo.
Lots to choose from out there that's for sure!
Last edited by PATRICK B.; Feb 21, 2011 at 11:58 AM.
Feb 21, 2011, 01:14 PM
#161
Thanks for clearing that up Patrick, so since your dyno is a low reading type like Buscher and the other reputable shops the numbers do seem reasonable I was assuming that you setup your mustang to read the same as the Dynojet you guys had, but the lag still seems bad for a stock framed BB,
Feb 22, 2011, 10:54 AM
#162
Thanks for clearing that up Patrick, so since your dyno is a low reading type like Buscher and the other reputable shops the numbers do seem reasonable I was assuming that you setup your mustang to read the same as the Dynojet you guys had, but the lag still seems bad for a stock framed BB,
Feb 22, 2011, 11:58 AM
#163
You can scroll though some of our blog entries to find out more:
http://www.fftec.com/blog/?cat=1
Mar 15, 2011, 01:48 PM
#165
No the WG has not been touched since.
The car has been with the owner as he had not been in the seat for a while and when he first drove it he said it felt great!
Then a few days later he came by the shop and said it felt slow and needed more power
We're swamped again at the shop so not sure as to when we may get it back in to try out a few more things to keep the boost pressure up.
We did have a scheduled race to attend a week or so ago but it was rained out so we will wait for a TNT day when the weather is good.
The car has been with the owner as he had not been in the seat for a while and when he first drove it he said it felt great!
Then a few days later he came by the shop and said it felt slow and needed more power
We're swamped again at the shop so not sure as to when we may get it back in to try out a few more things to keep the boost pressure up.
We did have a scheduled race to attend a week or so ago but it was rained out so we will wait for a TNT day when the weather is good.