Al or Shiv???? we have a winner!!!! [MERGED]
Originally posted by DynoKing
There are problems people just don't post them. Look at the people starting to have problems with Buschur's "The best, cheapest, fastest, and loudest" exhaust? Hell there were 2 just today. Give it time.
There are problems people just don't post them. Look at the people starting to have problems with Buschur's "The best, cheapest, fastest, and loudest" exhaust? Hell there were 2 just today. Give it time.
NONE - a perfect track record
I work darn hard to make sure there are no mistakes, errors or issues or any kind and if there are - I am available anytime to help fix the problem
Anyone who ever had a problem can get a full refund no questions asked
Re: Re: Re: Re: Al or Shiv???? we have a winner!!!!
Originally posted by DynoFlash
my product is by far the best !
my product is by far the best !
God, that just ended any possibility of me purchasing anything that has to do with DynoFlash.
AL, you are a character. You're totally OK with coming off in a manner that is not only unprofessional, but comes off as making cheap JABS at competitors.
Then, when people side with the other side, i.e. Shiv, you call them cheerleaders while completely ignoring the possibiltiy that he may just be doing something a bit better than you are.
You need to go back and learn some etiquette big boy....and handle things the way Dave Buschur or Shive does .
God knows Buschur and Shiv disagree on many things and have their beef with each other as well. But you won't see them carry about in the unclassy and unprofessional way that you do.
Perhaps thats why you don't have your own shop. I don't quite buy the whole eliminating overhead thing, esp. when people like Buschur with their reasonable prices can do the same thing.
Funny how this guy with his 280 whp monster cant evcen go out for a nice enjoyable ride without hitting fuel cut !!!!! Check out his other post on the forum about his fuel cut issues
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=54346
I guess he is runnig real low boost to get that 280 whp - WOW
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=54346
I guess he is runnig real low boost to get that 280 whp - WOW
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Al or Shiv???? we have a winner!!!!
Originally posted by alex_alex
God, that just ended any possibility of me purchasing anything that has to do with DynoFlash.
AL, you are a character. You're totally OK with coming off in a manner that is not only unprofessional, but comes off as making cheap JABS at competitors.
Then, when people side with the other side, i.e. Shiv, you call them cheerleaders while completely ignoring the possibiltiy that he may just be doing something a bit better than you are.
You need to go back and learn some etiquette big boy....and handle things the way Dave Buschur or Shive does .
God knows Buschur and Shiv disagree on many things and have their beef with each other as well. But you won't see them carry about in the unclassy and unprofessional way that you do.
Perhaps thats why you don't have your own shop. I don't quite buy the whole eliminating overhead thing, esp. when people like Buschur with their reasonable prices can do the same thing.
God, that just ended any possibility of me purchasing anything that has to do with DynoFlash.
AL, you are a character. You're totally OK with coming off in a manner that is not only unprofessional, but comes off as making cheap JABS at competitors.
Then, when people side with the other side, i.e. Shiv, you call them cheerleaders while completely ignoring the possibiltiy that he may just be doing something a bit better than you are.
You need to go back and learn some etiquette big boy....and handle things the way Dave Buschur or Shive does .
God knows Buschur and Shiv disagree on many things and have their beef with each other as well. But you won't see them carry about in the unclassy and unprofessional way that you do.
Perhaps thats why you don't have your own shop. I don't quite buy the whole eliminating overhead thing, esp. when people like Buschur with their reasonable prices can do the same thing.
BUT those that know me know its only a game I play on the internet
Besides - I've been playing this game with the Vishnu gang for over three years
Now that I am selling some reflashes do you think I am going to change my whole persona and become P.C. and be a brown noser ???
Do you think I'll sell out to gain your business and make more $$???
About as much chance as me starting to drive the speed limit or have my cars follow all NHRA rules - zero
BTW do you see me slinging any mud at Bushur ? NO - why not ? he's a cool guy and sells good stuff
Do I sling mud at Perrin, who else do I sling mud at ?
Who slings mud at me ? Who calls me fat -w ho posts picures of harirly naked gay guys and says its me? Get real!
If you want to do business with a class act company that dont sling mud - please go buy from Works - they are a bunch of great guys for sure and they have lovely music on their web site also.
I have a further sugestion - if you dont like my additude - dont read what I post ????
If you don;t want to do business with me cause I like to argue with the Vishnu camp - I respect you for your conviction
For $199.999 shipped for my through the mail flash - I can afford to act like a bit of a dick on the forums if i want to becuase my product is such a good deal most of my clients are willing to over look my trask talking
Finally - I did not start this thread declaring Shiv the "winner" - I am just defending my product and rep on the merrits
Last edited by DynoFlash; Dec 14, 2003 at 04:05 PM.
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i was running extreamly rich, i will have sheets up soon, and also i was tunning inside in a heated shop, was very warm and probably warmer inside then when Al did my brothers car, im only running 1psi more than him, but the xede kicks *** and keeps my boost up over 20 the whole time...exede all the way!!!!
Originally posted by evo8power
its a boost cut moron cause the xede was tunned in cali and its a lot colder here, any problem with my car was the BOV...thnaks Al!!!! lol
its a boost cut moron cause the xede was tunned in cali and its a lot colder here, any problem with my car was the BOV...thnaks Al!!!! lol
Call me moron and you cant have my $49.99 fuel cut removal !
Wait till the spring when your brother kicks your as son the track and then tell me whats up !
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I believe this guy that started the thread. His car has a means of raisinf the boost and the dyno flash does not. I'm glad he is spiking to 23 psi and dropping to 20, while the other car is at stock boost. If both of theswe runs were on the pruve dyno justr post the sheets and stfu. Also, Tell your bro to slap on a boost controller anouther shot. I bet Al will give him a good deal on the re-tune! That will end this thread. I'm sure it will meet/ exceed the XEDE numbers and a a sffer af ratio and with factory knock correction tables. I can't believe the vishnu cheerleaders who don't think about that last part. I want to see graphs and af ratios. And as far as the arguement of being able to tune it yourself, I doubt many members on this board are not qulafied to do so. Maybe they buy the exede and maybe not, but i bet they are the suckers who will pony up with more money to buy a "stage" package.
Originally posted by slowTsi
I bet Al will give him a good deal on the re-tune! That will end this thread
I bet Al will give him a good deal on the re-tune! That will end this thread
If only one or two guys get the point - I'm super happy ! Glad you get it
BTW - thanks to the two bros from philly for giving us some snowy day drama
Al, you need to calm down. Posts that say "my product is by far the best !" are not called for in a technical forum.
This thread accomplished nothing but pit two setups against each other in a very non-professional manner. It proves nothing on either front as there are many variables that were not considered before the comparison was made.
I'm closing this because there's nothing much technical about it.
Mark
This thread accomplished nothing but pit two setups against each other in a very non-professional manner. It proves nothing on either front as there are many variables that were not considered before the comparison was made.
I'm closing this because there's nothing much technical about it.
Mark
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Responses to Al
Since, thanks to Al, the last thread got closed before I had a chance to respond to some of Al's comments/accusations (I actually like to get away from the office from time to time 
), here's goes nothing....
Al's comments (from several of his last posts joined together) are in black. Mine responses are in red.
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come on man - don't be silly !
First of all your Bro paid $450.00 for the Pruven special deal which is till running btw and INCLUDES up to an hour and a half of dyno time - - so for any fair comparision on the price front muct include the price of your dyno time
Al, the dyno time he paid for wasn't for tuning. It was simply a baseline to see how much power the car was putting down with the XEDE. That means it was an unnecessary cost that had no bearing on how the XEDE (or the car) actually performed.
Secondly - the exede has boost control which raises the boost. If you want to comapre HP you should really through a boost controller on your bro's car and then you'll see the 280 number is easily made. In fact many of my clients with similar mods are maxing out the stock injectors and hitting over 300 whp with similar mods - depends on the individual car.
Al-- Adding a manual boost controller to the reflash does not offer the same feature/function as the boost control system in the XEDE. First of all, an MBC cannot control boost a function of RPM. This means that it cannot allow for extra boost in the RPM bands where it is safe to run it or, conversely, lower boost in those bands where the car is more knock prone. Not until you get into the higher end (and big $$) EBCs like the S-AVC-R does one have such an RPM-dependant boost mapping ability.
Third - the Exede gets those figures by altering the factory knock protection functions so keep that in mind
Al-- You keep on bringing this feature up only to misrepresent it. First of all, you have no idea on how it works. This is because you have not mapped the XEDE's knock adjust maps. Nor do you know how the factory knock control system works. Will you concede, for even a moment, that perhaps that is a tiny chance that we know something that you don't on this subject? After all, we spent quite some time dialing in this knock adjust feature, which BTW, doesn't simply make the knock sensor less sensitive across the board. Doing this would actually have a negative impact on performance/power output due to something called knock hesterisis.
Finally - I would really like it if you would post up your dyno sheet a bear number means NOTHING - its the curve that counts and the area under the curve
Al-- I agree. But whatever the results are, you are comparing a conservative baseline map with no car-specific fine-tuning to a custom tune that you have personally done.
Congrats ! You paid twice as much for something that works 1/2 as good !
my product is by far the best !
ANY idiot can tune an Evo with a reflash
ALL I am trying to do is DEmystify the process and provide FAIR value and prices for the Evo community
I charge normally 225 for my through the mail reflash and this week its on sale for 199.99 shipped
These other companies that charge 4 and 500 for a through the mail reflash are really taking advantage of customers
I am NOT aware of ANY problems with our reflashes
ALL the cars that we custom tune come our perfect - period
Then why are you suggesting that Kevin's brother should now add an MBC to his reflash in order to "turn up the boost".
Thats my point - when you buy a tuning solution - piggy back - through the mail you can have problems and issues
Let me tell you about all the nightmares I had with the Autronic - or hard work and learning to get the AEM to idle
Yes, because tuning stand-alones from scratch requires a bit of tuning experience. Experience which tuners such as Buschur, AMS, Extreme, and ourselves (among others, of course) have. The situation is very different with the reflash since you are relying on the factory ECU code to do 95% of the work.
BTW - I have tuned over 230 Evos so far - not one problem of any kind
Al-- The first car you Dynoflashed was on Sept. 30. This is 2.5 months ago. For someone who has/had another job and borrows another shop's dyno, this per day ratio is very impressive. Assuming you got up and running quickly from day 1, your numbers suggest and average of 4.3 cars/day per 5 day-per-week work week. How do you get all this time to post on the forum? Please let me know your time management secrets.
No one dosnt like my tunes - they all carry money back guarantees and no one has asked for their money back yet
Not to mention the dyno flashed cars are the fastest in the US - especially mine
Now your ran those 121mph (with nitrous) trap speeds with your dynoflash? I thought you ran it with the Autronic. Or was that with the E-manage plus Works reflash? I dunno, it's so hard to keep track of what you claim since your claims change so often
Just askin' for trouble,
shiv
), here's goes nothing....Al's comments (from several of his last posts joined together) are in black. Mine responses are in red.
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come on man - don't be silly !
First of all your Bro paid $450.00 for the Pruven special deal which is till running btw and INCLUDES up to an hour and a half of dyno time - - so for any fair comparision on the price front muct include the price of your dyno time
Al, the dyno time he paid for wasn't for tuning. It was simply a baseline to see how much power the car was putting down with the XEDE. That means it was an unnecessary cost that had no bearing on how the XEDE (or the car) actually performed.
Secondly - the exede has boost control which raises the boost. If you want to comapre HP you should really through a boost controller on your bro's car and then you'll see the 280 number is easily made. In fact many of my clients with similar mods are maxing out the stock injectors and hitting over 300 whp with similar mods - depends on the individual car.
Al-- Adding a manual boost controller to the reflash does not offer the same feature/function as the boost control system in the XEDE. First of all, an MBC cannot control boost a function of RPM. This means that it cannot allow for extra boost in the RPM bands where it is safe to run it or, conversely, lower boost in those bands where the car is more knock prone. Not until you get into the higher end (and big $$) EBCs like the S-AVC-R does one have such an RPM-dependant boost mapping ability.
Third - the Exede gets those figures by altering the factory knock protection functions so keep that in mind
Al-- You keep on bringing this feature up only to misrepresent it. First of all, you have no idea on how it works. This is because you have not mapped the XEDE's knock adjust maps. Nor do you know how the factory knock control system works. Will you concede, for even a moment, that perhaps that is a tiny chance that we know something that you don't on this subject? After all, we spent quite some time dialing in this knock adjust feature, which BTW, doesn't simply make the knock sensor less sensitive across the board. Doing this would actually have a negative impact on performance/power output due to something called knock hesterisis.
Finally - I would really like it if you would post up your dyno sheet a bear number means NOTHING - its the curve that counts and the area under the curve
Al-- I agree. But whatever the results are, you are comparing a conservative baseline map with no car-specific fine-tuning to a custom tune that you have personally done.
Congrats ! You paid twice as much for something that works 1/2 as good !
my product is by far the best !
ANY idiot can tune an Evo with a reflash
ALL I am trying to do is DEmystify the process and provide FAIR value and prices for the Evo community
I charge normally 225 for my through the mail reflash and this week its on sale for 199.99 shipped
These other companies that charge 4 and 500 for a through the mail reflash are really taking advantage of customers
I am NOT aware of ANY problems with our reflashes
ALL the cars that we custom tune come our perfect - period
Then why are you suggesting that Kevin's brother should now add an MBC to his reflash in order to "turn up the boost".
Thats my point - when you buy a tuning solution - piggy back - through the mail you can have problems and issues
Let me tell you about all the nightmares I had with the Autronic - or hard work and learning to get the AEM to idle
Yes, because tuning stand-alones from scratch requires a bit of tuning experience. Experience which tuners such as Buschur, AMS, Extreme, and ourselves (among others, of course) have. The situation is very different with the reflash since you are relying on the factory ECU code to do 95% of the work.
BTW - I have tuned over 230 Evos so far - not one problem of any kind
Al-- The first car you Dynoflashed was on Sept. 30. This is 2.5 months ago. For someone who has/had another job and borrows another shop's dyno, this per day ratio is very impressive. Assuming you got up and running quickly from day 1, your numbers suggest and average of 4.3 cars/day per 5 day-per-week work week. How do you get all this time to post on the forum? Please let me know your time management secrets.
No one dosnt like my tunes - they all carry money back guarantees and no one has asked for their money back yet
Not to mention the dyno flashed cars are the fastest in the US - especially mine
Now your ran those 121mph (with nitrous) trap speeds with your dynoflash? I thought you ran it with the Autronic. Or was that with the E-manage plus Works reflash? I dunno, it's so hard to keep track of what you claim since your claims change so often
Just askin' for trouble,
shiv
Last edited by shiv@vishnu; Dec 14, 2003 at 05:41 PM.
