Remember, this is the same Ryan, who put SS valves in his DSM, without doing any valve sufacing, or lapping, etc. And then wondered why his car made **** for power.

I guess this wouldn't be bad, but at the same time, he was advertising custom RACE DSM Motor and Head packages. Including a massive amount of head work, such as VALVE WORK, porting, polishing, etc.

Now, would you really want to trust your "race" head, when someone isn't even knowledgeable to do a valve job when swapping in new valves to a head?

This wasn't long enough ago to say it was just a mistake due to his lack of experience, he quotes he has 4+ years of experience, but I call it 4 years of tinkering.

Trust who you want, buy from who you want.

Tony Turk

 

LMAO! I read that post! Didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

That was like 1 1/2 years ago or sumthin. and i dont know for sure, but im guessing he doesn't actually do the head work himself. my guess is he gets them done by a professional. But i could be wrong. B

 

If he sells it on his site, he's responsible.

Lots of vendors send their machine work, head work, etc out to another shop. But when something goes wrong, you talk to the Vendor.

 

We don't do our own machine work or head work. We have a shop that does it for us. We have had good success with them and that is why we continue to use them.


DSMu4ia, we had to swap heads as a late minute thing before a race. It was either do that or not race. I would rather race then have to sit at home and not go. There was no other option so that is why the old DSM didn't make the power it should have. You are bringing up stuff from years ago about a DSM. Where is this stuff coming from? I didn't know I had DSM guys following my every move. I feel special now.

 

dsmu4ia - i fail to see your point. He has a pro machinist do the head work. Then he sells them to you. What is wrong with that? if something goes wrong, then yes the customer would go to Ryan about it. But im sure the ball wouldn't stop there. I'd bet Ryan would go to the machinist about it. Is that now how businesses work? If you buy a Sony TV from Walmart, something is wrong with it, you return it to Walmart, then Walmart goes to Sony about it. And the customer gets another TV. So what was your point here? Because he himself is not a professional machinist, he should not sell race heads that have been worked by an actual pro? Should he not sell an SAFC2 just because he can not build or repair one? get real man

 

Good point. I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

Does Walmart replace blown fuses on the power supplys of Sony TVs with paper clips that we're returned by customers? Then put them back on their shelves to be sold?

Anyways, the point is Ryan posted a thread wondering why his red turbo wasn't pulling as hard as it should. He basically blamed the turbo, and then later mentioned:

"I switched the valves in my head to SS valves without getting a new valve job done on the head. Do you think this could be part of the problem? "

GEE I WONDER IF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT

Anyways, this is very BASIC knowledge that you don't just swap valves without getting a valve job, it was very frightening to hear that a VENDOR that advertised head work, fell short on his education. Not to mention he was blaming the FP turbo, for such a novice mistake.

Pretty lame IMO. If it was just a DSM enthusiast, that would be one thing, but at the time that this happened, RnR was advertising head work on their site.


See for yourself in the thread:

http://www.teamnabr.com/ubbpub/ultim...=002980#000000

 

Actually it has less to do with that then youd think. You dont need to do a full valve job. You can buy the $8 tube of valve lapping compound and lap them in THEN if they dont seat, then you need to do a full valve job. You can simply swap in valves, but you gotta alp them or youre wasting your time.

 

Well since we didn't have the time to get a valve job done we had to do what we did. There was no other choice. We didn't have the lapping device that night so it was all we could do.


That was so long ago I don't even remember the whole story behind it. I do remember that we had a blown head gasket and had a few other minor problems. It was a last minute thing to get it to a race.


I am glad you guys are dwelling on something that happened 2 years ago with a 92 DSM.



I guess we don't know how to make power since we made 493whp at 24psi.

 

The truth is out there... and it looks alot like RnR is in the hole. Just a couple of people feeding hype into the system about them. Common internet business practice these days it seems, but intelligent people can read between the lines and determine this for themselves.

As for Buschur's comments, I'd have to agree with them.

If RnR is what they think they are, then there wouldn't be any issues at all now would there? Kind of funny that way. RnR's listing of people's complaints with an improperly installed BR exhaust system just about says it all, yep kind of funny that way. Now he's gotta defend himself about some timeframe statement "issues" and other things, hehe. Just classic.

For me and my money, when RnR doesn't have to post on UBB's about issues, the "misuse" of someone else's pics, satisfy customers the SECOND time and have been around long enough providing time proven product, then we'll see. Until then, IMHO, RnR has no legs to stand on and better act as professional as possible in every post and statement they make in every situation. Every piece of negative info out there just starts snowballin... Kind of funny how it works that way.

 

Actually it's kind of funny that DSM guys are bringing up a head issue from years ago about a DSM on an EVO board. These are the same guys that I chilled and talked with on NABR for years.


we build high quality products and sell a lot of them. I don't know why I am even writing this stuff. All the customers are more than happy and we wokred out the little issue we had. It's over.

 

I think the issue here is with reputation and common sense knowledge so it doesnt really matter what board it came from and how long ago it happened

 

People don't learn things over the years.

 

Common sense is hard to learn