Project FP Black DBB
From what I was able to find so far it appears that saying the dbb spools the turbo 3-400 rpm faster it should give it the spool characteristics of say a red with the top end power too. Should be a good setup especially for 2.3 with a good set of cams like s2's possibly. Buschur just posted a map of what the red spools like on the 2.4 so with the spool of a red and the high output of a black it may actually be worth the money for the dbb . my .02 cents.
From what I was able to find so far it appears that saying the dbb spools the turbo 3-400 rpm faster it should give it the spool characteristics of say a red with the top end power too. Should be a good setup especially for 2.3 with a good set of cams like s2's possibly. Buschur just posted a map of what the red spools like on the 2.4 so with the spool of a red and the high output of a black it may actually be worth the money for the dbb . my .02 cents.
and thats with gsc s3's! so imagine s2's or kelfords on it.. even quicker spool.
also.. i have kelford 272, but probably will eventually swap them for the new gsc s2 since they kill the kelford 272's now.
From what the owner of Owen Developments told me on the phone (Lee Owens), is that i will most likely achieve 200-300RPM in spool area and up to 500RPM in responsiveness when shifting etc.. he said it will feel extremely different when compared to a journal bearing black.
Realistically speaking, if i can get peak tq by 4300 ill be happy.. getting it as early as 4000 is probably asking for to much, but if it can be done ill get it done.. i know how to spool the hell out of a turbo.
just telling the truth.. if the truth is funny then thats ok with me..
I dont mind criticism though.. thats why i made the thread.. and i knew you were gonna respond in here, but i figured i was gonna hear something more like
"You're wasting your time doing this, blah blah blah" .. but i didnt hear that yet.. im very interested in hearing what you have to say regarding converting the black
to a DBB turbo though.. waste of money right? if so i could say the same to you, since you got 10k in parts bolted to your car and you're only making 480 whp
with the turbo you chose.. and the reason you chose that turbo was specifically because it was dual ball bearing and quick responding..
wether you know it, like it, whatevs (hangover 2).. i have the same taste as you do in vehicle performance.. i wont bolt something up to my car that takes a year to spool up just for power.
I want the response downlow, mid range, and uptop.. i want a good clean powerband that has minimal lag (sound like im a referee for a boxing match now).. and i know you've been through tons of different builds yourself
as well, so you have plenty of experience and blown $ on different setups.
I dont mind criticism though.. thats why i made the thread.. and i knew you were gonna respond in here, but i figured i was gonna hear something more like
"You're wasting your time doing this, blah blah blah" .. but i didnt hear that yet.. im very interested in hearing what you have to say regarding converting the black
to a DBB turbo though.. waste of money right? if so i could say the same to you, since you got 10k in parts bolted to your car and you're only making 480 whp
with the turbo you chose.. and the reason you chose that turbo was specifically because it was dual ball bearing and quick responding..
wether you know it, like it, whatevs (hangover 2).. i have the same taste as you do in vehicle performance.. i wont bolt something up to my car that takes a year to spool up just for power.
I want the response downlow, mid range, and uptop.. i want a good clean powerband that has minimal lag (sound like im a referee for a boxing match now).. and i know you've been through tons of different builds yourself
as well, so you have plenty of experience and blown $ on different setups.
The BB chra is a great idea. One could argue bang for buck all day long. Curt Brown gets phenomenal results, not by having simple basic setups with no money spent on any parts... but by leaving no stone unturned. If you have the disposable income to build everything... why not? I don't understand your quips about me spending money on my car... and I really don't care. I'd BLOW more cash on my car if I could. And recently I've blown a bunch more... I just haven't felt the need to share.
Things I'd love to have... 2 piece carbon driveshaft and Curt's Ceramic wheel bearings.
What is retarded is fp can modify stock turbos to make them produce 700 + whp yet doesn't offer bb upgrade options yet . 
Ball bearing is proven to spool faster handle more abuse and cope better with momentary oil pressure loss occurances better than journal bearing.
Ball bearing is proven to spool faster handle more abuse and cope better with momentary oil pressure loss occurances better than journal bearing.
Sorry to poop on your thread man. It should be interesting to see how it spools and maybe even a long term look on the longevity with the BB. Good luck Tom
about $3000 USD shipped or so. I am having them build it from scratch over there and keeping my journal bearing turbo as well for now after its repaired.
The BB chra is a great idea. One could argue bang for buck all day long. Curt Brown gets phenomenal results, not by having simple basic setups with no money spent on any parts... but by leaving no stone unturned. If you have the disposable income to build everything... why not? I don't understand your quips about me spending money on my car... and I really don't care. I'd BLOW more cash on my car if I could. And recently I've blown a bunch more... I just haven't felt the need to share. Things I'd love to have... 2 piece carbon driveshaft and Curt's Ceramic wheel bearings.
Things I'd love to have... 2 piece carbon driveshaft and Curt's Ceramic wheel bearings.