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I've had some engine troubles, and i want to pull apart my FP Red turbo.
I'm going to be taking it into a turbo shop here in NZ, and will be present when they tear it down.

What's different about the FP Red turbo's compared to the stock TD05?

I know the FP Red and FP Black run a steel on steel thrustwasher setup, anything else?

And if required, could I run a brass/bronze thrust washer in the FP Red? (just like the FP Green)
I will be running up to 30psi, and i have the FP oil filter line.



Cheers, Mike

 

If you run a brass/bronze its not going to hold up to high boost like the steel on steel thrust bearings do.

i would assume you'd be looking at something like this: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/9376588-post42.html

28-30psi seems to be where the turbos are designed to boost to, so id stick with the same custom thrust bearings that fp has provided. but honestly id contact fp to get an ultimate answer.

 

Yep, i'll be calling them tomorrow morning and see what they say

In saying that about the thrust washers, do FP Greens run into bearing problems when running at 30psi + ?

 

FP Greens dont run into bearing problems that im aware of, but its also a much smaller compressor wheel also, so i imagine the shaft speed isnt as high as the bigger turbos? i would contact Robert on facebook for a quicker response.

 

there is also a older verson and newer green to i am not sure how much of the internals are diffrent or if they are even diffrent at all thats something to ask the guys at FP also.

 

The newer hta green uses a 73mm hta compressor wheel. not sure about the turbine wheel but i know its not the same one the red and black use.

edit; black & red use 67mm and hta green uses 65mm turbine

 

tcomp i emailed you at the address you had listed to btw.

 

I am pretty sure the original FP red did not have steel thrust. that switch was made fairly recently. let us know what you find when you open it up.

the thrust will be non mitsu and oversize. hopefully your turbo shop knows where to get the bigger thrust bearing

 

I actually have one of the first fp reds produced. It is blown and sitting in a box so I will open her up and find out. This should be interesting. I will take some pics.

 

A smaller compressor actually turns faster. I don't think speed is really much of an issue though as the steel bearing is there for higher thrust load capacity.

A larger compressor will be able to produce a larger thrust loads. I believe FP went to the steel thrust bushing as the brass was deforming under high thrust loads and causing failures. The steel is stronger and stiffer, preventing deformation under heavy thrust loads.

I'd call FP and see if they would possibly sell you an FP rebuild kit for the RED. They probably won't but since you have a pretty valid reason for not shipping it back to them they might help you out.

 

turbo is pulled apart, damage to the journal bearings from oil contamination.
The thrust bearing has gone damage on it, probably from compressor surge before i put the anti surge compressor cover.

Will i get banned from EvolutionM forums if i put up pics of the FP Red internals?
I.e. the parts they use on the inside of the turbo?

Cheers, Mike

 

Ya i noticed i was wrong after i looked at the evo3 16g compressor map but didnt think anyone was gonna catch it so i didnt correct myself in here lol. the evo3 16g did something like 145krpm.

You're definitely right, it doesnt have to do with the speed, its more the thrust like you said thats created.

I dont see why not? not like you're gonna be taking measurements and giving blueprints how to clone the product

 

i'll talk to a Mod about it first.

 

Here is the info on the FP Red.

Steel on Steel thrust washer is an off the shelf part, MELETT part number 1401-405-761
http://www.melett.com/turbo-parts-ca...D05-6_TE05.pdf
page 5

normal TD05 journal bearings
76mm inducer compressor as we all know
67mm exducer exhaust wheel

Comments made about the turbo - the exhaust wheels is EXTREMELY heavy.

pics up later

Cheers, Mike

 

Great find on the Melett stuff!

Good pics of the turbine wheel would be cool as I'm curious if it is simply a reverse rotation TD06H wheel that they custom sourced.