Has anyone actually pulled a FP turbo apart before?
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The 11 blade turbine is interesting. I was wondering if they were just getting a reverse image TD06H, but the TD06H is 12 blades. The TD06SL2 is 11 blade but is a different size and is already available in reverse rotation from MHI. The FP turbine also looks like it may have a smaller hub then the SL2 wheel.
Doesn't look like a GT series blade profile either as it doesn't have the built-in clip found in the GT30-GT35. Doesn't look at all like the GT28 turbine either.
I'm very curious if it is any kind of modified Garrett or Mitsu part at all or if it is their own design. Interesting stuff either way.
Doesn't look like a GT series blade profile either as it doesn't have the built-in clip found in the GT30-GT35. Doesn't look at all like the GT28 turbine either.
I'm very curious if it is any kind of modified Garrett or Mitsu part at all or if it is their own design. Interesting stuff either way.
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If you look at the first thrust plate pic it looks to have thin walled steel linings in its two through holes . Also the milled oil dam sections are not as well finished .
My argument with Garrett GT UHP turbines has always been that the trim sizes are too big at 84T and they could have tried the GT30 and GT35 turbines at 78 trim like they did with GT37 and GT40 turbines in larger frame BB form .
Obviously a turbines major or inducer diameter has a say in how much shaft torque it generates and less than the largest trim in a big diameter turbine is possibly a reasonable way to make it responsive .
Now hopefully some inside info or TR30R series turbos . These are basically a GT30xxR sized family of turbo based on AFAIK two trim sizes of the 60mm TR30 turbine , 69 and 76 , and I think there were two sizes and two trims of compressor wheel . A few years back Garrett brought out a catalog and it showed the details and compressor maps of these TR30R units .
Anyway the upshot is that I think the 60mm OD 76 trim NS111 turbine from the TR30R would be often a better thing than the 60mm 84 trim GT30 UHP turbine . Lighter/smaller trim/9 instead of 10 blades should be plus points yet Garrett keep serving up the GT30 84T piece of **** .
All the higher performance GT28 based turbos use the 54.4mm version of the 76T NS111 turbine so why not the 60mm version ?
The only thing I ever got from Rob C was that a TR30R turbine would flow less than a GT30 , my thoughts are who gives a rats **** and not everyone wants a laggy 500+ Hp capable big trim turbine .
Yes all these things are dated like GT turbines and compressors going back to 1989-90 and the TR ones are probably not much if any later .
This is not to say that the designes are bad just not always well matched .
A left hand drive TR30R cartridge would possibly be a nifty thing in 4G63T housings . I wonder if HKS thought along these lines ...
My argument with Garrett GT UHP turbines has always been that the trim sizes are too big at 84T and they could have tried the GT30 and GT35 turbines at 78 trim like they did with GT37 and GT40 turbines in larger frame BB form .
Obviously a turbines major or inducer diameter has a say in how much shaft torque it generates and less than the largest trim in a big diameter turbine is possibly a reasonable way to make it responsive .
Now hopefully some inside info or TR30R series turbos . These are basically a GT30xxR sized family of turbo based on AFAIK two trim sizes of the 60mm TR30 turbine , 69 and 76 , and I think there were two sizes and two trims of compressor wheel . A few years back Garrett brought out a catalog and it showed the details and compressor maps of these TR30R units .
Anyway the upshot is that I think the 60mm OD 76 trim NS111 turbine from the TR30R would be often a better thing than the 60mm 84 trim GT30 UHP turbine . Lighter/smaller trim/9 instead of 10 blades should be plus points yet Garrett keep serving up the GT30 84T piece of **** .
All the higher performance GT28 based turbos use the 54.4mm version of the 76T NS111 turbine so why not the 60mm version ?
The only thing I ever got from Rob C was that a TR30R turbine would flow less than a GT30 , my thoughts are who gives a rats **** and not everyone wants a laggy 500+ Hp capable big trim turbine .
Yes all these things are dated like GT turbines and compressors going back to 1989-90 and the TR ones are probably not much if any later .
This is not to say that the designes are bad just not always well matched .
A left hand drive TR30R cartridge would possibly be a nifty thing in 4G63T housings . I wonder if HKS thought along these lines ...
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