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Old Mar 24, 2012 | 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Butt Dyno
I did my diff late last year and had normal Redline - with the friction modifiers - put in. The car did the oversteer thing and I have videos earlier in this thread. But that was with -1.0 in the rear which isn't much.

I switched to the no-friction-modifier Redline this year - and I went to -1.5 in the rear. I've only done one event so far, but the power-oversteer behavior didn't really come out. I would guess that it was a combination of the course (no fast sweepers) and the additional camber which should have settled the rear down. The car felt good, I'm not complaining, it's just different. Too soon to say which way is faster.

It does clunk/thunk/etc on low speed turns quite a bit. If you are dailying the car it might get annoying.
Definitely update us know when you experience it a bit more. I thought of going with the Diaqueen originally, but have talked to my friends and they all tell me that even though I have a daily driver, I always talk about performance with my Evo and how I can constantly be improving it. So why skimp out on performance now just for the noise?

So unless it's really really really REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REEEEAAAAAAALLLLLLLYYYYY FREAKIN ANNOYING (and if it is, please let me know), I'm just gonna deal with the Redline chatter that comes with the advertised stronger lock up. Unless of course the difference in the two oils are marginal and I wouldn't be able to tell the difference because the performance with the friction modifier is comparable. Anybody have experience with both oils?
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Old Mar 24, 2012 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Rmeister007
Definitely update us know when you experience it a bit more. I thought of going with the Diaqueen originally, but have talked to my friends and they all tell me that even though I have a daily driver, I always talk about performance with my Evo and how I can constantly be improving it. So why skimp out on performance now just for the noise?

So unless it's really really really REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REEEEAAAAAAALLLLLLLYYYYY FREAKIN ANNOYING (and if it is, please let me know), I'm just gonna deal with the Redline chatter that comes with the advertised stronger lock up. Unless of course the difference in the two oils are marginal and I wouldn't be able to tell the difference because the performance with the friction modifier is comparable. Anybody have experience with both oils?
It is really annoying! I run amsoil which is too thin and it got way too loud for me and I don't care about noise too much but people driving behind me can hear it. I added friction modifier and it went away. The car even drives smoother now but I know come autox events it wont perform as needed so I was just going to throw some redline in there.
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Old Mar 24, 2012 | 01:08 PM
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From: Why do they always call the Evo the Dark Side?
Originally Posted by Rmeister007
Definitely update us know when you experience it a bit more. I thought of going with the Diaqueen originally, but have talked to my friends and they all tell me that even though I have a daily driver, I always talk about performance with my Evo and how I can constantly be improving it. So why skimp out on performance now just for the noise?

So unless it's really really really REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REEEEAAAAAAALLLLLLLYYYYY FREAKIN ANNOYING (and if it is, please let me know), I'm just gonna deal with the Redline chatter that comes with the advertised stronger lock up. Unless of course the difference in the two oils are marginal and I wouldn't be able to tell the difference because the performance with the friction modifier is comparable. Anybody have experience with both oils?
Is this JUST a DD or do you do track/autox?

I would think it would be hard to notice a difference in street driving. But it's just a little annoying, not REALLY REALLY annoying.
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Old Mar 24, 2012 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Butt Dyno
Is this JUST a DD or do you do track/autox?

I would think it would be hard to notice a difference in street driving. But it's just a little annoying, not REALLY REALLY annoying.
It's my DD with a handful of track days a year. I drive on windy roads all the time and I love cornering hard. Last night I found myself taking my car 8/10ths on a normal drive from my friend's house. I practice a lot of racing on Forza and Gran Turismo 5 and after driving many rear wheel drive cars with the steering wheel, I can't wait to get this new and improved rear differential. I'm the type that probably would notice a difference and according to Dangle, the noise is really annoying. Hmmm....perhaps I should just go with the Diaqueen then.
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Old Mar 24, 2012 | 09:08 PM
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I run Redline NS (No Slip) with the Weir 12-plate setup. Is it loud, VERY. People in the paddock think my diff is broke. But I love the heavy lockup and the ability to rotate the car on throttle. For track usage, I would want no less lockup.
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Old Mar 25, 2012 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by EvoIIIAj
Has anyone confirmed that the JDM VIII's have the discs stacked the same way?
The Japanese RS evos had the plates stacked the same way as your guys ones, remember, who wants to buy a car that makes horrible clunking noises, the average person would freak.
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Old Mar 25, 2012 | 11:13 AM
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The Japanese RS evos had the plates stacked the same way as your guys ones, remember, who wants to buy a car that makes horrible clunking noises, the average person would freak.
i was fairly certain the jdm evo rs's have a different 1.5 way mechanical diff, the "rs diff" and that was different from the USDM evo diffs. The USDM diffs are definitely an old one way that was converted from like an evo 3
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Old Mar 25, 2012 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by kyoo
i was fairly certain the jdm evo rs's have a different 1.5 way mechanical diff, the "rs diff" and that was different from the USDM evo diffs. The USDM diffs are definitely an old one way that was converted from like an evo 3
I may have open mine up and look into this on my TME to confirm, it's about time for a fluid change anyway.
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Old Mar 25, 2012 | 12:24 PM
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I may have open mine up and look into this on my TME to confirm, it's about time for a fluid change anyway.
i've no idea outside of everything from 8/9s
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Old Mar 25, 2012 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rmeister007
It's my DD with a handful of track days a year. I drive on windy roads all the time and I love cornering hard. Last night I found myself taking my car 8/10ths on a normal drive from my friend's house. I practice a lot of racing on Forza and Gran Turismo 5 and after driving many rear wheel drive cars with the steering wheel, I can't wait to get this new and improved rear differential. I'm the type that probably would notice a difference and according to Dangle, the noise is really annoying. Hmmm....perhaps I should just go with the Diaqueen then.
OK, so, 8/10ths on the street is not a fantastic idea, just to get that out there. No matter how much Forza you have played on your game console. You really need to be using the throttle a lot at corner exit to notice the difference. In other words, by the time you notice the difference, you are already going to be going pretty fast, and if you are not on a closed course, you might be unpleasantly surprised. Like into a tree or something.

I never ran it with Diaqueen just because Andrewtech was doing the diff swap and they are a Subaru shop that doesn't keep Diaqueen on hand. So Redline was easier. But it was totally silent with the regular stuff, and even without the NS fluid it made a really noticeable difference.

If I were you, I'd do the swap, do the Diaqueen or some similar Redline, and see how you like it. Diff fluid is cheap too, so you could always run with friction modifiers most of the year, and then put the NS stuff in for the summer when you're doing more track stuff.
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Old Mar 25, 2012 | 08:20 PM
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I may not be the first one to say this, but could the MANUAL be incorrect, not the assembly??
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Old Mar 25, 2012 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Butt Dyno
OK, so, 8/10ths on the street is not a fantastic idea, just to get that out there. No matter how much Forza you have played on your game console. You really need to be using the throttle a lot at corner exit to notice the difference. In other words, by the time you notice the difference, you are already going to be going pretty fast, and if you are not on a closed course, you might be unpleasantly surprised. Like into a tree or something.

I never ran it with Diaqueen just because Andrewtech was doing the diff swap and they are a Subaru shop that doesn't keep Diaqueen on hand. So Redline was easier. But it was totally silent with the regular stuff, and even without the NS fluid it made a really noticeable difference.

If I were you, I'd do the swap, do the Diaqueen or some similar Redline, and see how you like it. Diff fluid is cheap too, so you could always run with friction modifiers most of the year, and then put the NS stuff in for the summer when you're doing more track stuff.
Hmmm, you're the first one here to say that the Redline fluid was totally silent. You are lucky! I think I'm going to go with the Diaqueen because it already comes with the friction modifiers, and then on track days I'll swap it out with the Redline to see if I'll notice a difference. :-) That's the time to experiment with driving the car harder.

I agree, driving 8/10ths on the street isn't recommendable, however, after midnight when there's no one on the road, that's the time to do it--not during the day when anyone could be there. I believe in safety measures, hence the reason I didn't take it 10/10th's--I'll save that for the track. I mean, I did buy the car to drive it the way it's supposed to be driven (which I LOVE!!!), not to just look cool in it. And I love the feeling of my chassis twisting and my 26mm front sway bar working hard. Heheheh! Iz all good!!
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Old Mar 26, 2012 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Rmeister007
I mean, I did buy the car to drive it the way it's supposed to be driven (which I LOVE!!!), not to just look cool in it.
Then take it to a real race track...
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Old Mar 26, 2012 | 08:27 PM
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so happy I stumbled onto this!
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Old Mar 26, 2012 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by EvoIIIAj
Has anyone confirmed that the JDM VIII's have the discs stacked the same way?
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