Well I pulled up the Great dyno deal shiv has on his site and if he is making 440 WHP on his dyno that = 620 Flywheel and = 521 on a Dynopack or a dynojet so it's about the same power. check out this link

http://www.vishnutuning.com/How_Big_...Horsepower.xls

 

Al--
With your 535whp on the AWD Dynojet you use, you're only trapping at 121-122mph. We only need 420-430whp on our DD dyno to trap at that speed. See what I'm getting at? Apples and Oranges.

Regards,
Shiv

 

Don't "ASSume" anything !

In the near future you and everyone else will be getting a nice demonstration on what kind of power and trap speeds I can do

In the meantime - its demonstration enough to know that for 7 (SEVEN) FULL months - I have been the quickest Evo VIII in the US and quiet possibly the world. When and IF you can beat my time - thats when its time to start talking and thats when you will see me go back to the track to lay down some smack.

The only time I went to the track with my current motor, it was breaking up in 4th gear and not operating properly. The actual power I was making was in the mid 450 - 475 range which coresponded well with my times

Very soon, I will be putting down about 600 WHP on the dyno jet.

And, BTW, before you get too excited you should think about what Pruven is putting down to the wheels with its Evo which is well over 600 who already and soon to be making more also

Between your moon dyno - to dyno jet FANTSAY corrections and your double fantasy crank whp predictions and all your other methods of doing business - I must say you are a comical dude

 

I think something else might be wrong with the car-- the HKS GT3037 is the same as the GT30R you are running, except the turbine housing. I think the smallest HKS housing is around .61 too.

Maybe the cam timing is off?

 

Hi Ron,
We're not running a GT30R. We are running a slightly tweaked Garret GT3037. It would appear that the HKS housings A/Rs are sized differently in relation to Garret housings A/Rs. Cam timing was checked. Of course, this car represents a sample pool of 1 so there's always a chance that something is wrong with the car. However, we're dyno'd this car in earlier iterations (before the turbo upgrade) and the results were always in-line with other cars. In fact, it is our own shop car which is notoriously weak compared to those belonging to customers. 3000+ dyno pulls will do that, i guess

Cheers,
shiv

 

Sure, but it doesn't use a GT3037. It's got a GT3240.

 

Yes - but still an HKS unit. facts are some of the fastest turbo cars in the world use HKS

Its very - extraodrinarily - amusing to contemplate Shiv trying to 2nd guess a company like HKS It may be an expensive kit, but the HKS set up is hard to beat for an overall combination of smooth power devlivery, trq. and spool up

Of course - I already went down the road of trying out my own 3037 turbo, back housing and compressor housing combinations two years ago on my WRX/STI with the help of Robert at Forced Performance. What I learned with that project tells me that my dyno sheets - as posted above - are very good indeed for a 2.0 l daily driver road car.

I am very happy with the HKS set up

Of course - I am waiting for the Buschur cast manifold and turbo combination - that should be a very interesting product indeed

 

Yeah I still don't see what relevance Norris' use of a GT3240 has on the subject at hand. Which is this-- an HKS GT3037 kit made less power than a GT30R (which, aside from the turbine housing, is what a GT3037 is) on a similarly prepped car. Is HKS stuff good? Sure it is-- it's all Garrett stuff.

Barring some mechanical anomaly on the HKS equipped car, it is possible, as Shiv suggested, that HKS' A/R nomenclature differs from Garrett's own, and that this accounts for the brunt of the difference in power between the two.

 

HKS a/r numbers do not equal the regulat GT30 #'s - a .57 gt30 is about the same as a HKS in the 60's

 

were did they get the 6-speed transmision from, i have been looking for one of those?

 

Shiv,

sorry I wasnt aware it was a stock block car...but dont you think it was a bit irresponsible to blame the HKS kit when the limiting factor was the motor? it seems to me by my dyno chart and even als that these 3037 kits dont start making serous power until the very high rpm ranges which may be useless on a stock motor...not flaming...looking to be educated with facts

 

Brett,

the tone of your response to me was that I should have known it was a stock engine, Shiv specifically said in THIS post for THIS thread "The EVO was fully modified" that to me means he did the motor as well..he almose mentioned turbo flow limitations...Im sorry but I think the limitations were the motor not the turbo.....again not flaming i just want to make sure the right information is being stated here

 

where did he say that?

 

Come on Pesto, this post was just six posts below the original post that started that thread. Pretty clear to me.

However, I do like your question and am also interested in what Shiv has to say about it. I appreciated your technical posts. I have been learning something throughout this thread except for the brief flame session earlier.

 

Pesto360-- I'm not blaming HKS in any way. Their version of the 3037 is a good turbo. It's just doesn't appear to be the bolt-on 500+bhp turbo that many people think it is. To state this is hardly irresponsible since in no way did I hide that it was tested on a stock motor. FWIW, we are running a stock motor in our 3037'd Stage 2 car as well. However, we are not running HKS housings. As a engineering house for Garret, there is no need to get parts from HKS Japan. The problem with many off-the-shelf aftermarket turbo kits, as I see them, is a lack of data. While it would be harsh for me to say I don't trust compressor/turbine maps for HKS, Innovative, Turbonetics, etc., I put a lot more weight in the info I get from my contacts at Garret USA.

992gnt-- I honestly don't think anything is wrong with the car. We tested a DSM not too long ago with the same turbo configuration and it's numbers were right in line with what we saw with the EVO. Now once again, 390whp is nothing to sneeze at on our DD dyno. Anyone who has ever run their car on this kind of dyno can attest to that. I'm quite confident that this car would run mid 11s at ~120mph if it ever goes to the strip (which I doubt given the priorities of the owner)

fast evooo8-- I believe the builder sourced the transmission from some shop in Japan. Wait until you see the pictures of the car. I'll post them up tomorrow when I get to the office. The car is beautifully put together. We call it the King of the Bling at the shop.

Just my 2c,
Shiv