No need to get defensive. It obviously isn't clear by your website link that he posted above. All it showed was a stock frame manifold and a forward facing coming soon. If it was clear the customer wouldn't of had to request help on which one fit with the turbo he was looking to purchase from FP.

So to clear things up, are you looking for a stock frame turbo to go in place of your stock turbo like these;

http://turbos.maperformance.com/evo-turbos.html

Or a T3 kit like this;

http://www.maperformance.com/map-com...p-evo-t3k.html

 

The thing is YOU know Collin builds many other manifolds besides just stock frame manifold but YOU still post a comment like that. The best part is Ryan was asking for advice on OUR manifolds & Shearer's manifolds, not MAP's.

Ryan, we apologize our website needs a bit of updating. We are not like many other larger vendors on here with 10+ employees. ToxicFab is a VERY small company with only 2 employees, Collin does ALL fabricating & welding & I handle majoity of the sales related work. If you have any questions about our products please feel free to shoot Collin or I a PM!

Here are some threads with our products & Collin's fabrication threads...

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ve...umps-more.html

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/we...on-thread.html

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...tion-pics.html

 

He is also looking for suggestions on his build which I'm trying to determine 100% what he is going for to help him out. He clearly has a few things confused with listing a link to DSM parts, non-stock frame turbo, with stock frame manifolds, and a few other things I see incorrect.

Again, no need to get defensive. I don't know what you offer as an off the shelf manifold and what your jigging. I don't troll your post and see what you have to offer. I saw the link, it has some mistaken information for what the customer was trying to run, so I offered to help clear up what he was actually trying to do.

If you have anything else that you think I should know, pm me. Lets stop cluttering up this thread and help the OP.

 

whoa bud your parts list is all over the place, a little suspention here a little intake here some costmetic n so on..focus on one aspect of the motor at a time n once you think you have one area ironed out move onto the next remember all these things have to work together and the more time and research you put into your setup the better your results.

start with your head ok so GSC S-2 cams, GSC valve springs and retainers, are you refreshing seals, guilds, are you haven any porting or pollishing done? reason i ask is your wanting 500+whp the key here is efficency.. and it sounds like your doing a ported stock manifold from MAP. HKS cam gears and all that are nice but mearly astetics. for head studs are you wanting to do just standard or like L-19 ?

for 500whp+ are you wanting to do anything to the bottom end?

onto your turbo setup. im going to be running a 3586HTA with a shearer fab T-3 manifold but im wanting to go for 700+.. for you maybe a 3582hta ?as for a manifold its totally up to you. since i own a Shearer Ron did an outstanding job for me and worked with me very close on my goals n what i wanted plus he cut me a pretty damn good deal.. From what ive seen the Toxic boys have some very nice stuff as well so really either way you cant go wrong with either choice.. my advice to you would be whoever does your manifold have them do your O2 housing also. the more people hands you have in your setup you run into fitment issues and what not. more to think about if you do a T-3 setup youll need a external W/G but if you choose to do a mitsu bolt on like a FP Black or red it will simplify your setup greatly and still net you your HP goals

Fuel setup..im not very familar on how the evos fuel systum is run so someone else will need to answer that

 

Not really looking for a stock frame turbo manifold. I'm really looking for someone to go over this lost top to bottom whenever they get time so I can be sure everything us going to work before I spend thousands of dollars for nothing.

@ toxifab do you have a suitable manifold that would bolt yo to a fphta3586?

 

As per post #12 I'm this is basically what I want to go with I'm just not sure if everything is gonna fit correctly as map said I know I don't need the 2g oil lines ect I just copied them over. I was only concerned with the parts I have listed, I'm not familiar with the whole t3/t4 housings to manifolds external wastegates ect generally the turbo system confuses me so I need to make sure the parts I have listed on post #12 are going to fit with each other. Also do you think I can safely get into the 10sec range safely without building the bottom end? Thanks for the help so far guys I really want to get this down to the last detail so I can start ordering parts anybody that is willing to take the time to go through this list and look at every little thing i would greatly appreciate it.

 

Ill list all the parts ive got collected thus far for my setup n maybe help shed some light on the kind of directions you can go into.

Head

Head Games MotorWorks Ported and Pollished Race head
Kiggly Valve Springs and Retainers
Kiggly HLA
Ferrea Comp Series Valves (stock size)
JMF drag series Intake Manifold
GSC S-3 Cams
Magnus thermo barrier gasket
ARP Stainless steal exhaust manifold stud kit
FelPro top engine gasket kit

Bottom End

Weisco HD series 9-1 comp pistons (86mm bore)
R&R 150mm Aluminum Rods W/ L-19 rod bolts
Eagle 88MM crank with optional ESP armor coating
Kiggly main girdle
Moroso 6 Qt oil pan
HKS cam gears
HKS timing belt
new OEM tensioner, idler pully
FelPro lower gsket kit
L-19 head studs
Jays racing Alternator relocation Kit
UR underdrive pully set
Fluidamper cank pully
STM Oil Cooler Kit

Fuel

FIC 2150cc injector (ill be on E-85)
FIC fuel Rail
Fuel Lab Mini regualtor (purple) kit -6 inlet and outlet (from STM)
Fuel Lab pump to rail kit (with metal E-85 filter) in -6 (from STM)
Full Blown Dual pump hanger (purple)
Twin Deatschwerks 300lph High Flow In-tank Fuel Pumps

Turbo

Shearer T-3 tubular manifold
Forced Performance 3586HTA
Tial 44mm MV-R W/G (purple)
Full-race Inconell turbo stud kit
FFWD copper T-3 gasket
DEI turbo Blanket

Ignition

Spark-Tech Non CDI COP ignition

InterCooler
ETS 4inch FMIC 2.5 LICP 3inch UICP

Drivetrain
Shepeard Stage 4 trans with quaife LSD
Quarter Master twin disk clutch
DSS stage 5 axels
STM solid shifter bushings
B&M short shifter

 

Safely? You will need to build a bottom end that is for sure. Some head work is in order as well.

Shoot me an email directly and we can discuss a build-out for your car if you like. Like the guy said above, get one thing taken care of at a time. Lets knock out your motor setup, then move on to suspension and cosmetics!


adam@maperformance.com

I'll get you heading down the right path

 

Research is your friend...

Having people spoon feed you info off a public forum can get you some pretty crazy answers. Make sure you know what you need so as not to get sold bs parts. Having one shop do all of your purchasing/install/tuning can help you out come warranty time if there is one available.

I have an assortment of parts from various companies on my car. If you do some research you will know which ones fit together and have proven gains.

There are more threads on this site about GSC S2 cams than I want to bother tallying. All the info you need is available on this site. Take the time and search. If not sure many would love to sell you whatever you ask for no matter if it helps you or not.

I think that you have listed many good companies. Find one that works for you to build a goal. But don't believe everything you hear though. Even if its from your own momma.

 

Adam ya now I love ya in a non homo way but I disagree. There are plenty of guys makeing 500 hp on stock blocks even 600 hp on stock internals with safe tunes and daily driveing them.

 

I know, but do you think it is realistically safe? No its not. Also, when the potential customer is talking about running 10's ti leads me to believe he is going to be hard on the car and take it to the track. Again, not a safe way to do things with the stock block.

 

These parts are gonna be the top of the line products.
1: Exhaust manifold go with a shearer fabrications
2: injectors go with the ID2000 on E85 if you are staying on pump go with and ID 1000 or 1600 (your tuner will love you for them)
3:02 Housing if you bought a kit just get the one recommended for the kit if not you can get a custom one made by a fabrication shop.

 

True, but yes it is safe being I am only running 12* of timing up top with e85, and on top of that there were times I did have a leak that I had found and ran a 14 afr at wot. Am I lucky you bet your *** hahaha.

 

Lol!

 

@ Adam from map I will be e mailing you in the near future so we can drill down the details if you could help o would appreciate it.

@ toxicfab do you make a manifold to fit the fp3586hta?

Any body else have any other suggestions I basically have my list picked out as per post #12 but I'm not sure if.thwy are legit to piece together I think if I have to go with pistons and connecting rods ect. I'm going to go through buschur racing as that's who I'm planning on doing the tune ect. Any other help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again guys