Not making 600 on the Black by keeping the TQ low that's for sure.

 

Ill agree with that. He might see the 530-550 range with torque around 380-410 would be my guess. But then we get into what dyno he's using, who's tuning his car, etc etc. Too many variables. It would be nice to know what kind of et/MPH he wants to reach or if he plans on auto x, road course or strictly street driving.

 

Hey guys, thanks for the response. I'll have the car tuned by tscompusa. Great info on here...
Some more info, I take the car to auto x- here and there. I also do drag it but I really dont care much for dragging, more so auto-x.
I wanted to go with the 5858, seems more of a street turbo .


So lets say I piece my kit together , I'd get a different manifol(t3 manifold)d and a t PTE 5858 (a 4-bolt .63ar).
Where could I get an 02 housing and down pipe that will fit with all this??
I want to look at all my options before making a decision.
I'm trying to piece this also, so If i upgrade to a 6266, all I'll need to do is change the turbo.

 

Those numbers are in relation to the old versions of those turbos, the new ones are Billet and CEA turbines etc so they flow more faster.

 

Definitely agree with hollywood. These new turbos are billet and flow better and make more power. Its amazing how turbos have changed in just the last few years.

 

I'll tell ya, it would save you a lot of money if you either A) Put an FP Black on your car and leave it at that. Once your motor is built you can really turn up the wick. or B) Buy a 6262/6266 kit, and be done with it for good. I'm guessing option A would probably better suit you. If drag isn't your thing the 6xxx series of precision turbos won't be either.

Now if you're still set on piecing together a 5858 kit with intentions on upgrading to a 6262 later I can't confirm that all you'll need to do is swap the turbo and that's it. Since the 6262 is larger than the 5858, I can only *assume* that the manifold would still work but that the DP might be off slightly as well as the LICP which would require some modification. Now i'm not saying this is true, this is just a guess but you would be best off contacting some of the EVOM vendors that fabricate turbo kits based on precision turbos. I would say try ETS first though

 

I have a 5862CEA(.63 ar) ETS V-Band Kit on a 2.4 VIII.

I think I have a partial pull saved. I'll post it if I can find it.

The kit was on the stock 2.0 briefly, there's really no way to compare it though, it's night and day. I think the 2.4 makes the turbo come alive, that plus E-85

 

CT9Asphixyation - appreciate the break down.
At first I was going with the FP black but when I priced out everything I wanted it was coming near 4 grand, which is just way too much money for a turbo. At least for me. $2500 for the turbo plus the oil lines,plus the manifold.
Going with the PTE turbo I was going to save a grand or so.

The biggest costs are the turbo and the manifold. If I am able to keep the manifold when upgrading to a pte 6xxx turbo then getting another dp or 02housing isn't a too bad. The turbo I know will cost be about $1400 and I'm looking for a manifold for ~$500 or so. Hoping a downpipe/02 housing will cost me a couple hundred.

Now that I have more information, what I am thinking of doing is getting a PTE 5858 bb v-band turbo , a t3 manifold with external wastegate and a v-band downpipe. The hardest part will be getting the v-band bolt-on downpipe. If I can not get a v-band bolt-on downpipe I'm thinking of v-band flanges and going to a welding shop or performance shop to get that custom made.
Hows that sound? I'm sure someone has done that before.

 

There has to be someone else that has done this before.

 

We've done 600+ on E85 with the 5858 at 30ish psi. Let me look for the dyno graphs.

Aaron

 

Keep in mind this was a DSM 4G63 with a sheetmetal intake. They do not spool as fast as Evo's will and the SMIM wasnt helping. This would be more torque than I recommend for a stock bottom end but some of that can be tuned away as well (this was a built motor so we let it rip). It does hit 20psi at 4500 though even despite its few handicaps.



ER 9:1 2.0L
GSC S2s and springs
JMFab race manifold
Unknown turbo kit but it had a 5858
ETS FMIC
FIC injectors
DSMlink V3 SD tune

 

I have a hot parts kit that I used on a 6266 that I am selling let me know if you are interested

 

E-85+DBB FP black is a *****in combo!

 

Aaron thanks for the info. Maybe I'll give you a call and see if you have some parts I'm looking for.
90blackawdtsi- you are right , the FP Black will be great but that is something I can not afford. 2500 for just a turbo, is WAYY TOO MUCH for me.

 

Aaron, do you know what a/r turbine housing was on this 5858?