I have most of my build figured out except for which turbo and clutch to use. I really want to avoid rpm lockout issues. The car would be mostly a street/highway terror with 2 or 3 visits to the strip in a year. I would like to trap mid 130s.

I know the FP black should get me there with a ported intake and exhaust manifold. The 6266 will get me there without breaking a sweat and at a safer boost level. My concern with the 6266 is the high RPM lockout issues that you get with the 2.4 and high torque numbers.

So let's here some opinions on what turbo to get.

This thread should be posted in the drivetrain section.

if you have a street car and want an easy clutch to drive that will handle the power up to 700+ hp id go with an exedy triple. The only problem with that is the price and it makes a little bit of noise when you have your clutch pushed in. If you wanted to save some $$$ check out comp clutches they seem to be working pretty well for single discs and are alot cheaper then the triple plate.

The fp black will get your goals met while giving you a better powerband for a street car. You could meet your mph goals with it as long as you had all the supporting mods. The 6266 is going to spool up alot slower and will be more expensive, but it can do 135 mph on pump gas and alot more with e85 With the right clutch there shouldn't be any lockout issues so run whatever turbo suits you better.

If that speed is your goal in the 1.4 then go fp black

The general rule for turbos is go with the smallest turbo to reach your goal.

I just swapped from a FP Black to a 6266. The black was fun but it left me wanting more( a 9 sec car lol) here is my build thread
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/al...etz-2-0lr.html

I would love to see 2 cars, similar builds with either turbo run down a track. I don't think the 6266 spools THAT much slower then a FP Black.

^ I'm with him ��

I havent found a black vs 6266 comparison. With a 2.4 i'm thinking the spool wont be much difference.

about 1000rpm~ laggier the 6266 is at minimum. lets not forget its equal or bigger than a 3586R.

at the track it won't mean a damn thing though. the 6266 will murder the fp black down the drag strip.

lets not compare a 68lb/min stock frame turbo to a 80lb/min t3/t4 beast on a whole nother level.

Tom would the black to a 6262 be a fairer comparison as far as lb/min?

You can't have it both ways. I'm a little tired of the FP Black vs (insert big turbo here). I'm not sure if its because people are afraid of being jumped on if they dare to say that in some instances the FP Black isn't the bees knees. People love to comment on how good the FP Black is for the money

Ok so I might irritable right now.

Lag is relative. Anyone who's driven my car comments on how 'quick' it spools. And I have a turbo on here that is considered older technology (aka doesn't spool up as fast as the 6266).

With the stock frame turbo's going DBB the cost savings is less then before. Add in an aftermarket manifold and you are close to a big frame turbo. And if you want something that spools faster then the usual suspects there are a myriad of turbo choices available (if top end power is not a concern).

There are pro's and cons to both. I've been very vocal about my car being its most fun on a BBK-Full (non DBB). I feel like once you get over what a FP Red is capable of you can seriously entertain a big frame turbo setup as an alternative.

The only place I would consider a FP Black a hands down advantage is in states where they have very strict rules in place about aftermarket turbo kits (Communist state of California) and going big frame runs you afoul of the state smog facility.

And to add.......the fact that a bigger turbo can be in the same conversation as a smaller turbo is a pretty big accomplishment.

People always compare lag on the FP Black to other choices. Lag is WWWAAAAAYYYYYYY over rated. I hate driving cars that are basically in boost the moment you move off from the light (for daily driving). You end up driving like grandma just so you don't get into boost all the time.

Where a Black kills a t3 framed turbo like the 6266 isn't just with spool, it is how quickly it makes usable power when you roll into the throttle. If you want to trap mid 130's, you can do it with a red or a black no problem. You can also do a 6262/hta82/hta86 for better manners on the street than a 6266. Both stock frame and t3 are good choices, but unless you want the underhood bling that accompanies a t3 setup, you can't go wrong with stock frame. I have ran numerous turbo setups on my last build (t3/divided t4/stock frame) so I can tell you from real world experience.

My opinions are based on T4 TS housing. Take that for what its worth.

no. 6262 is like 75lb/min. its still 7lb/min more which is roughly 70WHP more over the black.

fp black is still my favorite turbo. i've had a red before, and a greddy t67 (car came with this laggy pos lol). i really like the fp black for a stock frame solution.

i had my fp black and 2.3 setup hitting 33psi by 3600rpm with no mivec.

when retaining the stock intake mani/exhaust mani the spool is unreal for the size of the fp black.

i have to agree though. for me personally lag is overrated. if i can sacrifice 1000-2000rpm downlow for massive top end then that is the route i'll take. the smaller turbos are fun and all, and i love tuning them, but for me personally, i want all top end. i don't care about downlow anymore.

that all said though, i won't go beyond a 90lb/min turbo on a street car.

Can't really compare a Stock Frame to a Large Frame... When picking a turbo I recommend looking at your goals. 1) mostly street 2) 130+ at the track 3) Do you want to give yourself room to grow?

The FP Black hands down is a better street setup and will run 135 in the quarter on a moderate build. The 6266 will have more lag and will drive completely different on the street and not as much fun. If you are looking to move up in power over time, the 6266 will give you more room to grow. I am bias on stock frames because of how much fun they are to drive vise a 62+ size turbo. I have driven and raced a bunch of different setups and for a daily driven car you can't beat a stock frame. Both turbos have pro/con you just need to pick which will be best for your needs. May the hard decisions begin... lol