Notices
Evo Engine / Turbo / Drivetrain Everything from engine management to the best clutch and flywheel.

Cam position sensor?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 9, 2015 | 06:02 PM
  #1  
tsitalon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,072
Likes: 3
From: Southeast USA
Cam position sensor?

Tracking down a misfire at various boost levels from 15-25 psi with fairly new Denso IKH24's that are 6 months old on my Evo IX.

Pulled the exhaust CPS just to look at it and a good amount of oil came out and was coated all over the CPS.

Since this is my first evo (20+yr DSM guy), I am assuming this is bad, but wanted to check with you guys.

Is the CPS housing where the CPS is installed supposed to be dry?

Could this cause misfires on boost?

Also, if anyone knows how to log the CPS with Evoscan, please point me in the right direction.
Reply
Old Feb 9, 2015 | 07:34 PM
  #2  
robbyredneck's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 293
Likes: 0
From: upstate ny
my moneys on a coil
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2015 | 04:42 AM
  #3  
tsitalon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,072
Likes: 3
From: Southeast USA
Very possible, ordered some Honda coils to build a COP system.

Nonetheless, is that CPS housing supposed to be dry or full of oil with oil coating the CPS sensor itself?
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2015 | 05:12 AM
  #4  
robbyredneck's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 293
Likes: 0
From: upstate ny
Yes oil can get in there. There even a drain hole drilled in the bottom
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2015 | 08:46 AM
  #5  
mrfred's Avatar
EvoM Guru
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,675
Likes: 132
From: Tri-Cities, WA // Portland, OR
wet. my bet is on the sensor. they have a limited life.
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2015 | 01:35 PM
  #6  
tsitalon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,072
Likes: 3
From: Southeast USA
Originally Posted by mrfred
wet. my bet is on the sensor. they have a limited life.
Do you happen to have the evoscan data to log this?
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2015 | 02:49 PM
  #7  
mrfred's Avatar
EvoM Guru
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,675
Likes: 132
From: Tri-Cities, WA // Portland, OR
Originally Posted by tsitalon1
Do you happen to have the evoscan data to log this?
I did at one time, but there is nothing obvious to point to the CPS. It just looks like misfire with a big lean spike in AFR. I initially thought it was a fuel system issue because it would drive fine off boost. As soon as I got into boost, the motor would fall flat on its face about 80% of the time. Never got a CEL.
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2015 | 03:17 PM
  #8  
tsitalon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,072
Likes: 3
From: Southeast USA
Originally Posted by mrfred
I did at one time, but there is nothing obvious to point to the CPS. It just looks like misfire with a big lean spike in AFR. I initially thought it was a fuel system issue because it would drive fine off boost. As soon as I got into boost, the motor would fall flat on its face about 80% of the time. Never got a CEL.

Ok, no biggie, I've been wanting a COP system for awhile, so this is a good excuse to build one. If it doesn't fix the misfire, I'll replace the exhaust CPS.

Thanks for the info!
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2015 | 04:13 PM
  #9  
robbyredneck's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 293
Likes: 0
From: upstate ny
i have a good 8 exhaust cps if you need one and they interchange. which i think they do
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2015 | 04:49 PM
  #10  
tsitalon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,072
Likes: 3
From: Southeast USA
Originally Posted by robbyredneck
i have a good 8 exhaust cps if you need one and they interchange. which i think they do
They do interchange, but why would you want to get rid of it? Hit me on PM if you want to discuss..
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2015 | 06:41 PM
  #11  
Fast_Freddie's Avatar
Evolved Member
Veteran: Navy
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,706
Likes: 15
From: Lexington Park, MD
You can get one from an auto parts store for like $50, why wait until you spend money on a COP to see if it goes away?
Reply
Old Feb 10, 2015 | 07:27 PM
  #12  
tsitalon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,072
Likes: 3
From: Southeast USA
Originally Posted by Fast_Freddie
You can get one from an auto parts store for like $50, why wait until you spend money on a COP to see if it goes away?
Because I've already ordered the coils and wanted to do this anyway... Cost is like $100 total, not buying a high end COP setup

Replacing the CPS will be the first thing I do if the COP doesn't resolve it.
Reply
Old Feb 11, 2015 | 05:34 PM
  #13  
Fast_Freddie's Avatar
Evolved Member
Veteran: Navy
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,706
Likes: 15
From: Lexington Park, MD
My money is still on the cam sensor...
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2015 | 06:09 PM
  #14  
ace33joe's Avatar
Evolving Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 394
Likes: 7
From: Used to be in Nor Cal, now working in Seoul
Hyundai/Kia CPS is also interchangeable if sourced cheaper or easier than Mitsu ones:

39310-38050

Beck/Arnley parts are also good aftermarket alternatives.
Reply
Old Apr 1, 2015 | 12:53 PM
  #15  
tsitalon1's Avatar
Thread Starter
Evolved Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,072
Likes: 3
From: Southeast USA
Update:

New COP system resolved the misfire.
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:16 AM.