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Old Feb 6, 2016 | 09:22 PM
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FWIW, my turbo sees 20psi at 3400 rpm. I use that around town a Hell of a lot more than I would 600whp @ 7500rpm.
It's all about how you want the car to feel.
I autox and road race, so i like a useable power band that hits as soon as I crack the throttle open.
Others like a sudden rush at the top end because it feels faster.
Decide how you want the car to behave, then go from there.
My car saw 21psi at 2500 rpm with the JB fp green mhi housing and 2.4l.The green would hold the 21 psi from 2500-7000rpm and that is one hell of a powerband. You must have a 2.0 to spool that slow.
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Old Feb 7, 2016 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 3gturbo
My car saw 21psi at 2500 rpm with the JB fp green mhi housing and 2.4l.The green would hold the 21 psi from 2500-7000rpm and that is one hell of a powerband. You must have a 2.0 to spool that slow.
. Hella slow.
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Old Feb 7, 2016 | 08:49 AM
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What are you talking about?

What would be the point of a SS housing on an FP Green?

The great thing about the OEM turbos, is that you're squeezing every last drop out of a housing that wasn't really meant for it and you still get the benefits of the TS.

If you have a SS FP Red or Black, you may as well just go T3 or T4 in my opinion.
the ss housing flows more so the system is more efficient. i dont understand what is so hard about that concept.
the mhi housings have their place but they are a bottleneck, plain and simple.
i have a ss green. it really wasnt rocket surgery making it work with all my existing parts.
saying theres never a use for the ss housings is extremely short sighted and ignorant.
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Old Feb 7, 2016 | 08:56 AM
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But for the price are you kidding? the turbo was a grand the oil line was 150 bucks the o2 housing was 190 bucks and I got a wastegate for 90 bucks. Stm intake was only 150. Im not seeing how these cost anywhere close to a T3 set up now that FP has released the o2 housing. Cheapest new T3 kit I could find was 3300 from MAP. I have way less then 2k in my fpblack set up.
exactly. fp put together an excellent value for extremely high quality parts. I cant believe how negative the reaction from the community has been.
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Old Feb 7, 2016 | 09:02 AM
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exactly. fp put together an excellent value for extremely high quality parts. I cant believe how negative the reaction from the community has been.
not all reactions have been negative and now that FP has an O2 housing, there is probably even less. however, those of us that don't want it have our reasons. for me, i want a true "stock frame" turbo, meaning the spool of a twin scroll and to fit OEM parts for when i have to smog.
you need to understand not everyone is focused only on better peak numbers.
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Old Feb 7, 2016 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by kaj
. Hella slow.
But still faster than you
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Old Feb 7, 2016 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TrendSetter
the ss housing flows more so the system is more efficient. i dont understand what is so hard about that concept.
the mhi housings have their place but they are a bottleneck, plain and simple.
i have a ss green. it really wasnt rocket surgery making it work with all my existing parts.
saying theres never a use for the ss housings is extremely short sighted and ignorant.
Yes. I think we're all aware that the SS flows more. But if you have a SS Green, IMHO you're ruining the characteristics of what makes that turbo so fun...a 500whp turbo with great spool.

Now you have a turbo that will spool more like a red and will probably make less than an MHI Red.

I never said there is never a case for them. I completely understand the reasons for the SS housing on a Zero and Zephyr. But putting a SS housing on a Green, Red and even Black (unless you want to squeeze out 700hp) makes me scratch my head, because you ruin half of what makes those turbos so awesome...greatvspool relative to comp wheel size.

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Old Feb 7, 2016 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 3gturbo
But still faster than you
my slow-spooling turbo is still faster than me. i see....

Originally Posted by Erik@MIL.SPEC
Yes. I think we're all aware that the SS flows more. But if you have a SS Green, IMHO you're ruining the characteristics of what makes that turbo so fun...a 500whp turbo with great spool.

Now you have a turbo that will spool more like a red and will probably make less than an MHI Red.

I never said there is never a case for them. I completely understand the reasons for the SS housing on a Zero and Zephyr. But putting a SS housing on a Green, Red and even Black (unless you want to squeeze out 700hp) makes me scratch my head, because you ruin half of what makes those turbos so awesome...greatvspool relative to comp wheel size.
the MHI housings are all but used up, so FP had to do something to keep selling turbos, i guess?. i can see how they thought the SS one is a step in the right direction. they flow better and make more power, so maybe they figured that was a fair trade off.
for a lot of us (from what i can tell), the SS does away with the reason we all stuck with stock-framed turbos.
it seems to me: had they replicated the MHI housing in iron or SS, they would sell like hotcakes.
that being said, they are cheaper than a T3 option so i'd shop FP before Precision, etc.
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Old Feb 7, 2016 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by kaj
the MHI housings are all but used up, so FP had to do something to keep selling turbos, i guess?.
Well, I still think they have some MHI housings available. I spent the extra $400 to make sure I got one
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Old Feb 7, 2016 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Erik@MIL.SPEC
Well, I still think they have some MHI housings available. I spent the extra $400 to make sure I got one
they seem to have intermittent availability, at best, and are getting more expensive as they run out (there's a reason i've been stock piling LOL).
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Old Feb 10, 2016 | 04:26 PM
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Big fan of the MHI housing on the Green/Red/Black for a street car. This setup responds almost like the stock turbo but doesn't fall off. If you have proper boost control you can have a great powerband. I'm able to autox this setup or just about anything else.

<a href="http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/tim_meagher1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpstvolyfag.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b495/tim_meagher1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpstvolyfag.jpg" border="0" alt="2.2 FP Red Evo photo image_zpstvolyfag.jpg"/></a>
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Old Feb 10, 2016 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Abacus
Big fan of the MHI housing on the Green/Red/Black for a street car. This setup responds almost like the stock turbo but doesn't fall off. If you have proper boost control you can have a great powerband. I'm able to autox this setup or just about anything else.
at what RPM are you hitting 300ftlbs?
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Old Feb 10, 2016 | 06:27 PM
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Looks like 3500 rpms to me.
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Old Feb 10, 2016 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Erik@MIL.SPEC
Looks like 3500 rpms to me.
now, that's not bad at all! and sooner than my hta71 gets there.
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Old Feb 10, 2016 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Abacus
Big fan of the MHI housing on the Green/Red/Black for a street car. This setup responds almost like the stock turbo but doesn't fall off. If you have proper boost control you can have a great powerband. I'm able to autox this setup or just about anything else.

<a href="http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/tim_meagher1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpstvolyfag.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b495/tim_meagher1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpstvolyfag.jpg" border="0" alt="2.2 FP Red Evo photo image_zpstvolyfag.jpg"/></a>
Very impressive numbers
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