If you're looking for 1000whp, get a 9567s-69s. There's an evo 8 rn on one of those making 1100whp. Just look up Dan's Evo on TRC, its apex silver on 15" TE37s. As far as what I've seen there's no turbos made by anyone else within that size that can make the power xona's do. Keep in mind PTE's gen2 stuff is going on 7 years old at this point, the UHF Xona wheels just came out last year. So think about that when comparing a 6870 to a 9569s.

 

They are still based on borg extended tip technology. These wheels aren't anything new. Tial does alot of work with Borg over the years and this is an example of it.

 

The technology isn’t in the compressor wheel, it’s in the turbine wheel, as well as several other things. The staggered UHF wheel changed everything.

 

Xona turbos couldn't be anywhere further from Borg turbos what?? An s369sxe is a 69mm by 73mm or 74mm depending on the model. It's also a journal bearing turbo, with a completely different chra in almost every way, compressor housing design, compressor design, and turbine wheel design. A 105-69s is a 72mm by 69mm. I'm a borg fanboy through and through, but a 10595s would completely **** on an s369sxe in spool and peak power.

 

Thanks for the inputs.

So next question, how much lag difference do you guys estimate for the 9569s (68mm comp) and the 10569s(72mm comp).

I noticed alot of the evo guys are running the 9569s. But I assume they are going for the 68mm class limit.

Let's say no competition rules, would they go for the 72mm comp as opposed to the 68mm comp?

 

There’s no data on that. Just compare a super94 to a super99, it’s the only way rn. But like I said above there’s already someone making 1100whp on a 9569s, and they’re going to go for 1200whp!! Unless you’re north of that I wouldn’t even think about the 10569s. The 9569s pretty much makes even older bigger super99 obsolete 100%.

 

Seriously, didn't learn the potential lesson you could have from your first comment. Basically you know nothing about the turbo aside from what you saw from the name, and then next time from the wheel sizes - yet you are commenting as though you have enough information about it to say it's a good thing or a bad thing.

One of my friends is running an XR105-69S with a .82a/r T3 housing and has 1:1 EMAP/IMAP at around 45psi of boost on a 2.5litre 6 cylinder engine. The UHF split blade (I bet you haven't even looked into anything regarding wheel design, results etc before commenting so this may be news?) turbine wheel flows and responds like nothing else I've seen and it's worth noting at this point that these are NOT the same as the Super 99, which was around before this turbine wheel came into production. The Super99 HTZ became the XR95-67, there is a chance the compressor is still the same but the hotside is very much not. The new turbines are fairly low inertia for their size, but also very high flowing for their size which results in something that is very easy to squeeze power from and very easy to get at that power.

To put it into perspective, thus far I've seen people moving from Precision 6870s to XR9569S (which to be fair seems to be the gem of the Xona range) and picked up response and significantly dropped EMAP. If you are looking for ~1000whp on an Evo then the XR9569S is probably the best thing you can get right now - it'd absolutely clown a G42-1200 for response, which imho have been a bit of a disappointment so far.

OP: If you want to see how an XR9569S goes on a GOOD Evo setup, check this out: .

IMHO these are the best all around performing 68mm turbos available right now.

 

yea.. that car is impressive for sure.

 

Everything you’ve said is pretty much on point correct. Only that the 9567 was a custom turbo I believe. The super94 became the 9568, the super99 became the 10568. I’m pretty sure those are actually identical to the older super line just with a rebrand. So it pretty much goes HTA3794 to super94/9568 to 9569s being the newest gen.

 

Oops yeah sorry, I was a huge fan of the Super99 and called the 9569S a Super99 was a slip haha. But I thought they had the 9567 "on the shelf" for a while, and ran the same turbine as the Super 94/99 turbos. I don't ever recall seeing a "9568" referred to by Xona themselves.

 

How do you guys feel XR9569s compares to the g35 1200? I think dan's setup is Twin scroll.

 

I see two 38mm EWG, but it looks like a regular vband turbine housing. Does FP offer vband twin scroll turbine housing?

 

No they don’t. And it’s because they don’t need one. It spool fast enough as is, and I don’t think a UHF wheel would work in a TS application.

 

G35-1200 doesn't exist. If you mean the G35-1050 then I'd say that they would have similar response give-or-take depending on exhaust housings. I'd not be surprised if the .8xa/r XR9569S would be at least as responsive as the 1.21 G35-1050 which you'd need to get even close to comparable power as you'd be capable of with the .8x XR9569S. Basically I'd expect the XR9569S to be an all around better performer.

The G42-1200 would probably be capable of power power, the 69S seems to have similar exhaust flow but spools MUCH better - the 68mm Xona Rotor compressor will not keep up with the 73mm G42-1200 compressor which is the main reason the G42-1200 would out flow the XR9569S, but the XR9569S would completely dominate the G42 for power delivery.

The Xona Rotors don't come with twin scroll options, but doesn't seem to hurt them.

 

I’d say that the 9569s is pretty much on par with the g42-1200. It’s rated for 1200bhp not whp. Yet the 9569s is already made 1100AWHP and Dan is saying he’s going to try for 1200. I’d like to see a g42-1200 make that, but there’s hardly any data.